charlie 1 Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 just sent!! good luck BASC! :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 E mail sent inc. mem' no. Regards... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyCM Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Thank you David for dealing with this. email sent AndyCM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJUK Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 You have mail Its a discusting video, ever as a 'new shooter' this is obvious. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Please, PLEEASE keep the e-mails coming. Over 600 views and only 45 e-mailes received...BASC cannot do this on our own, we need the evidence if we have any chance of making a difference- so please send me your e-mails if you have stopped donating to them, or becasue of this film will not donate to them. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Please, PLEEASE keep the e-mails coming.Over 600 views and only 45 e-mailes received...BASC cannot do this on our own, we need the evidence if we have any chance of making a difference- so please send me your e-mails if you have stopped donating to them, or becasue of this film will not donate to them. David David, What are you hoping to do with the feedback? Get the video taken down and an apology? Nial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Dear Sir I understand that your organisation is lobbying Barnardos with regards to the removal of images of legitimate shooters from a campaign which has been screened by Barnardos on both television and internet website. I was disgusted when I first saw the depiction, and still am. My company makes regular donations to both local and national charities. I have today taken measures to ensure that no further donations will be made by my company. I and the other directors take great exception to a sport which many of us enjoy being depicted in such a negative way. When in reality shooting raises a great deal of money for charitable causes. I would find it difficult to believe that Barnardos had not benefited from such efforts in the past, but would seriously doubt that they will do so in the future. May I wish you well with your quest. Regards J.N. Webster Technical & Managing Director North West Gases Ltd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Please, PLEEASE keep the e-mails coming. becasue of this film will not donate to them. David E-mail sent. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_seagrave Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Email sent, and reply recieved from Banardos:- Dear , Thank you very much for taking to respond. The analogy of hunting was used as a way of illustrating the harmful way that society treats children – demonising and vilifying them. As you have identified, it was not intended to target legitimate firearms holders so apologies if this has caused offence. However in reviewing the comments, both on the BBC, the point of the film has been clearly understood by the general public, and the debate has been around the shocking quotes used in the film, all of which were taken from UK newspaper websites. This is exactly what the film was designed to do – in particular we wanted to highlight these attitudes within the media by getting newspapers and leading TV stations to address their own coverage of young people. We had contacted the BASC prior to launching this film but received no response from the Head of Media. However we have made a clear statement stating the objectives of this film and apologising for any offence caused. This statement has been published on the BASC website www.basc.org.uk. Kind regards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: 17 November 2008 18:45 To: Subject: Hunting Advertisement Importance: High Dear , I read an article on the BBC website that showed a Banardos video/advertisement of children being hunted with guns. Whilst I do not doubt that the video/advertisement was well-intended, nevertheless, I would like to register my complaint that the characters of the men giving voice to the comments that you have identified (likening children to vermin etc) are represented as sporting shooters/huntsmen using legally-held firearms. The insinuation, however unintentional, that the legal owners of shotgun and other firearms would be responsible for such acts in this country demonstrates narrow-mindedness akin to the prejudice that you are seeking to highlight. The demonisation of sporting shooters represents a very lazy attitude to fact, and such casual scaremongering lends little credence to your organization. The majority of gun-related crime in the UK involves firearms held illegally. The portrayal of men in country-style clothes using sporting firearms in the furtherance of crime is both factually inaccurate as well as a very unhelpful influence on the public's perception of shooting sportsmen. I would like Barnardos to make it clear on their website or as a precursor to the video (if it is not to be withdrawn) that it is not your intention to portray legitimate shooting sportsmen in a negative way. Yours faithfully, etc, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I can assure you all that the Barnardos line that 'we tried to contact BASC but got no reply' is 100% rubbish! Indeed it is not true in any way. They did contact us to tell us they were doing something involving guns on the Friday before the film was released and wanted a comment from us. We asked to see the film, as we cannot comment on something we have not seen, they did not let us see it before it was released, and the first time we saw it was a couple of days later when it was in the public domain. The apology - which they have made- should be on the Barnardos site as well and the film withdrawn! Keep the e-mail coming to me! David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 If this would be the case then that is an official statement that their testimony is a lie if they didn't show you the film. Keep on fighting this and exposing their lies. Well done David! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I never have donated to Barnados; bunch of kiddy fiddlers if you ask me There I got my own back. Now to send that e-mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Having sent my mail to BASC I wondered if Barnardo's and The Charities Commission might like a copy. Unfortunately neither of their websites has (unless I'm stoopid and where IT is concerned that could well be the case) any e-mail contact details to send to. What I did find on the Barnardo's site was a comment (which I assume relates to said film) about how glad they were that the ASA had upheld their right to show the advertisement. So it's probably The ASA we should all complain to. However I personally think we've less than a snowballs chance in hell of making our voices heard UNLESS BASC go public on this and create a massive stir in the national press. As always BASC and other organisations do their bit but generally it's preaching to the converted through the 'fieldsports' type media. What's the point in shouting the odds to your supporters, get among the unbelievers and shout to them! David over to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Does anyone have any email address for them? i can only find a postal address (which i have sent a letter to) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 A very good point Highlander- I will take this up with the media team. We want the film taken off the web sites and we would like a public apology on their web site. We want to send a message to them and others that shooting is not a soft target for petty propaganda. There are many issues facing society that need to be dealt with, (I would love to go on about this but I am afraid that my comments could well come back as 'a BASC spokesman said...)but demonizing law abiding citizens who by their very nature are more law abiding than most - is NOT the way to do it. But how strong a case do I have- less than 10% of the people who viewed this topic have e-mailed me – so do 90% support the tack Barnardoes take? This was exactly the defense Barnardos took when the film went onto the BBC web site- the vast majority of comments were pro the film! This statistic, I am sure, helped sway the ASA decision. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I may be wrong, but the views count isn't representing x amount of individuals, but actual page views. I know I've added 5 to that count myself. I sent an email, BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 its page hits not the number of individual users. i would recommend getting this topic posted on guntrader and shootinguk forums if its not already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bingoinmad Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 David Email sent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p@cman Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Email sent. Collection box removed from our sales counter too. Money donated to another childrens charity instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Thank you for your feedback on our film. We are sorry you are offended by its content. To give you some background, the aim of the campaign is to raise awareness of the issue of the demonization of children and young people by the UK public. The concept of shooting is used as a metaphor to highlight this issue. It was born out of quotes taken from a newspaper website written by the public (e.g. ‘shoot a few, and if that doesn’t work, shoot a few more’) and demonstrates the harmful impact of these attitudes by showing what would happen if words were to become action. Whilst we realise the imagery is shocking to watch, the more shocking thing is that these attitudes have become commonplace and acceptable even within the media. In no way is the metaphor intended to single out legitimate shotgun holders and hunting communities as wanting to shoot children. Nor is it intended to suggest that these communities hold the views discussed in the film. Of the vast amount of public and media coverage generated as a result of the campaign, none has focused on hunting communities – we therefore do not believe that this campaign has had a negative impact on the shooting community within the public domain. This campaign has been successful in highlighting and changing a negative and prevalent public attitude towards children. We have received considerable support for the campaign and you can see some of this on our website. Again, we are sorry that you have been offended by our film. We would like to direct you to our public statement to the BASC, if you are not already aware of it. We hope that your dislike of the film does not detract from the issue being raised, and that you can continue to support Barnardo’s. Thank you again for your comment. Yours sincerely Collette Collins Head of Brand and New Media Sent: 19 January 2009 12:20 This is the reply i have just had from BARNADOS Basicaly they are happy cos it has generated publicity and sod whoever it offends.What exactly is the public statement to THE BASC ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 can you post the email address that was sent from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) This should direct you to the e-mail to complain direct to barnados ok the link dont work so collette.collins@barnados.org.uk Edited January 20, 2009 by Blackbart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toka_shigazu Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 David..may be worth posting ths on www.thehuntinglife.com forum as well, if you havent already.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 toka Markbivvy has already done so, good idea all the same. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 This should direct you to the e-mail to complain direct to barnados ok the link dont work so collette.collins@barnados.org.uk Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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