Vince Green Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Does anyone else remember the old paper Sellier and Bellot shotgun cartridges. They were damn good cartridges, cheap too! They were the pigeon/rabbit shooters standard cartridge, people never used anything else, they swore by them. Are they still imported? Also the old Baikal cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) I have still got Baikal cartridges in number 4, 5 and 6 shot. I think I've also got Sellier & Bellot in a SG load. I remember the Baikal cartridges being hard hitting, noisy, and at low light, you could sometimes see a 'flame' coming out of the barrel. I'll have to dig them out and check. Edited February 17, 2009 by steve_b_wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I use to buy the Sellior Bellot cartridges in the flat pack boxes from a garage on the Isle of Grain. They were a dirty, noisy cartridge (a lot like Baikals), but they did kill things. Definitely not for use in your "best English gun". I haven't seen any for 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I can recall both shells-i think the baikals were called Azot?-with a picture of two ducks taking off-i certainly remember the flame and the recoil that knocked me off a tree stump into a pond-fond memories! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Sellier & Bellot are still about, they've got a website, looks like in Czech Republic I've seen spent Sellier & Bellot shell cases at Worsley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-peter Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 they where all i could afford in thr 50/60 period, the sellers had a fair old recoil, and the baikals well flames a yard long pearl barley and bacon rind allsorts came out of them but they killed well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusk2dawn Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I use to buy the Sellior Bellot cartridges in the flat pack boxes from a garage on the Isle of Grain.They were a dirty, noisy cartridge (a lot like Baikals), but they did kill things. Definitely not for use in your "best English gun". I haven't seen any for 20 years. They certainly were dirty and noisy, remember once out pigeon shooting with my father one new years day, as usual me being young and stupid had seen the new year in with grand style and had an almighty hangover complete with a humongous headache , eveytime a bird came over I flinched as I pulled...... oh the pain of it and my fathers laughter B) ringing even louder in my ears than the S&B,s . Rgds D2D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheene7 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Edgar Bros. import S&B's. My mate uses them all the time in his auto, he likes them. I've tried them through my Beretta, but they seemed to have a fair old kick. You sometimes think your at a wedding when you watch him shooting them, there seems to be a lot of wadding and **** floating through the air after he fires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaserman Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 i ran some through my mates 20g they felt like a 12g nasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodmedod.one Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 I remember the Baikal cartridges being hard hitting, noisy, and at low light, you could sometimes see a 'flame' coming out of the barrel. I remember they didn't do much for your night vision :unsure: I can recall both shells-i think the baikals were called Azot?-with a picture of two ducks taking off. Spot on Bruno. Iv'e still got a few in the cupboard. I remember the confetti that came out of them and they used to stink as well. Like everybody says, they used to kill OK though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Shot a bit of floodlit skeet with Baikals, many years ago. Impressive sight - flamethrowers on steroids. :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 A mate of mine at work who is a shooter said to me the other day "look at what I found in the loft". It was a flat pack of S&B paper carts in pristine condition. Probably not worth much, but interesting nonetheless. ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewey Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Yep I too remember the old S&B. Like everyone else the amount of paper/wad that came out of them was unreal. I used to use the small old "Practise and Vermin" when we used to shoot hundreds of Starlings near a cattle farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I hope the recent S&B are not too bad. I got some the other day as part of a deal with a new M2. I just wanted something 32g to help run it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheene7 Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 I hope the recent S&B are not too bad. I got some the other day as part of a deal with a new M2. I just wanted something 32g to help run it in. My mate seems happy enough with them (might be because they're cheap ) . He's shot a few thousand now and only had 1 problem , a cartridge jammed in his auto. When he finally removed it , it looked like the brass cap was distorted slightly. I'm thinking of giving them a try myself , can't really make much difference, the way I shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radio1ham Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 ive still got a few baikal AAA`s left from about 20yrs ago never seem to see them in shops now bloody good cartridges aswell priced some AAA`s a while back and they not half went up in price over 10quid a box so now load my own for foxes using 6x 8.5mm lead balls which dont half work only wish still could get them baikals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 My mate seems happy enough with them (might be because they're cheap ) . He's shot a few thousand now and only had 1 problem , a cartridge jammed in his auto. When he finally removed it , it looked like the brass cap was distorted slightly. I'm thinking of giving them a try myself , can't really make much difference, the way I shoot I didn't notice till I got them home that they are Plastic wad, and the only place I have to shoot at the moment wants fibre. Looking at the S&B site is seems they don't do fibre. They'll get used somewhere, I bought something else for the time being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratman2 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 (edited) I've just been given a couple of boxes of Sellier and Bellot MK2 6shot 32 gramms by an old chap I shoot with, they're past their best, the caps are a bit corroded and the cases are discoloured. I've dug out my old LIG side by side and given them a go, I've downed five pidgeons with them today, by hell!! they go with a bang and hit the bird really hard, and smell gorgeous. My old shooting friend can't remember when he bought them but seems to think it was probably forty years ago, the smell reminds me of shooting with my dear old dad some forty five years ago. :blink: Edited March 26, 2009 by Ratman2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Ah they don't make them like that anymore, real cartridges them were! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHOOTEMUP Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Glad I read this thread as I have just remembered I have a complete 250 box of them dated 1967 68! Guess what I am doing this weekend The smell of these shells is unique and sometimes reminds me of the old cap pistols we had as kids, one or two had a very nasty habit of not firing straight away with a couple of seconds delay certainly made my son realise the reasoning behind total gun safety, ie if it dont fire keep it pointed in a safe direction for at least ten seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Blame the strong Euro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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