******* DISGRACEFUL

[myzeneye]

The thing is it's not the few now is it, the few has turned into many

 

 

and Myzeneye that Nanny breed statement should be taken out of it, simply not true. I dont need to read or watch the news its fact I see it with my own eye's on nearly a weekly bases. And two weeks ago I saw a girl 9 years of age or there abouts with a staffy, mean come on if that decided to go for something she has no chance of holding it back.

 

 

That link you posted the Labrador didnt really attack her she was unconscious and Labrador tried to wake her up which she was unresponsive.

 

 

what is it you actually see on a weekly basis? staffs being agressive towards children? ask anyone who owns one...and by anyone i mean any responsible dog owner.

the 9 year old girl would be the same sort of sitch if she was walking a lab or a boxer or an alsation...a 9 year old kid should not be out walkin a dog, end of.

 

as for the lab attack issue... well thats some kiss of life mate...she was unresponsive so it ripped her face off. nice doggy.

 

o.k, take your pick of ANY of these attack stories....

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Articles/...DogsBitebak.htm

[shotgun666]

BFG IM NOT WASTEING ANY MORE OF MY TIME ON THE MINORITY OF PEOPLE WHO SAY,,, ALL ,,

THE MAJORITY KNOW WHOS RIGHT,,RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERS THATS WHO :good:THINK WHAT YOU LIKE MATE..

MYZENEYE YOUR RIGHT MATE ON THE SHORTCUT THERES PLENTY OF LABS AND NO AND IL SAY NO AGAIN STAFFS OR ROTTIES SAVAGING

Edited August 3, 2009 by shotgun666

[Traztaz]

My children have walked all of my dogs all of their lives, from GSP to russle, to hushpuppy, to boxer, to australian shepard, never a problem , but the dogs and the kids were brought up correctly, the list gets longer, much lomger idf I go into me and my brother, his current dogs and the dogs we had as kids, its simple , understand and know how to dominate and train a dog and you create from that a brill animal, mess it about and wind it up and you create a time bomb

[mr lee]

I have border collies who are farm bred and worked. They will sit at a single command and run when told to. I trust them 100%. If my wife and kids take them out they will walk to the lead and rarely have they felt the need to defend my family. Only when attacked do they show any signs of aggression back. My kids have damn near rammed toys in the ears, nose and ar*e at times. Do they react in an aggressve way? Never. They are now at the ripe old ge of 13 and not once have they so much as growled at anybody unless we have told them to. Once with a burglar who was breaking into a neighbours house. That's it.

 

My mate has a lovely staffie who is an absolute gem of a dog. Very playful and energetic. She is also trained very well and doesn't possess this 'lunatic' mindset I think BFG assumes all staffies have. If trained from an early age any dog can be a good pet/guard dog etc.

 

 

The point of my post is to highlight how well dogs can be trained if people make the effort with them.

 

Some people can't seem to see this or are just blatantly trying to get a rise out of members on here.

[shotgun666]

THATS TRUE GUYS,, ,,TRAZTAZ AND MR LEE,,,,TRAINED DOGS AND GOOD OWNERS,,,,MAKE GOOD DOGS,,,, BAD OWNERS MAKE DANGEROUS DOGS THAT SHOULD BE DISTROYED ,,,,THIS SHOULD BE THE FINAL SAY ON THIS AS NO ONE IS GETTING ANYWERE APART FROM ITS GETTING PEOPLES BACKS UP WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT OUR LOYAL FRIENDS SO LETS ALL CHILL OUT AND FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT

[Ozzy Fudd]

well now isnt this just great. its another typical ******* pw thread of the idiots who read and believe the papers and hype compared to the idiots who waste their time and energy trying to educate these morons. and yes i am one. whoopdy ******* do.

 

anyway i had a 10 paragraph response typed but cant be ***** posting it. i could go into lots of incidents were a non rottie/staffy attacked someone, but i cant be *****. it all comes down to this - if you dont have first hand experience of the dogs (and i dont mean passing one on the way to work every day, i mean owning one) then go to **** if youre stupid enough to believe the newspapers. youre the types of idiots who post here telling people not to buy this gun or that one even tho uve never used one, never mind owned one.

 

and as for the person who said the kennel club dont know what theyre talking about i have only one thing to say - ******* muppit!

 

time to go to sleep and wake up with a hangover

[Bombadil]

ive never seen a staff that wouldnt benefit from an axe in the back of the head,

 

I think after you said that everyone has free license to call you an idiot.

 

How would you like it if some one raised a lab to be vicious for whatever reason, and it harmed a cat, and then you have to put up with some one completely uneducated in the matter kicking and screaming about how they should all be killed/ban. It's not just stupid it is down right sick and immoral. It only takes a quick wiki to realise how far from the truth you are, or maybe a talk to a staffie owner who isn't a chav perhaps? Clearly that would require to much common sense. They are not all bad with the freak safe one. They are very safe and friendly dogs, they have a bad reputation because of there cousins and a trend to own them among chavs, which is hardly their fault.

 

It's all good and well to state your disagreement, but to say the disgusting things you have, is entirely different, you warrant insults then.

 

"The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is often subject to breed bans worldwide that target the Bull and Terrier family. However, Australia, England, and New Zealand make clear a distinction between the American Pit Bull Terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier and thus are exempted from Breed Specific Legislation."

[shotgun666]

WELL SAID BABBYC1000 :good:ALSO BOMBADIL

Edited August 4, 2009 by shotgun666

[jimdfish]

I cannot believe I posted hair instead of hare. mea culpa.

well done to all those who have knocked the small minded on the head.

The Mop(my dog) will sleep well tonight, as she does every night, with the kids, under the covers, as she has done every night since we got her and will until the kids get sick of her wind or her theirs.

JDF

[Boromir]

well now isnt this just great. its another typical ******* pw thread of the idiots who read and believe the papers and hype compared to the idiots who waste their time and energy trying to educate these morons. and yes i am one. whoopdy ******* do.

 

anyway i had a 10 paragraph response typed but cant be ***** posting it. i could go into lots of incidents were a non rottie/staffy attacked someone, but i cant be *****. it all comes down to this - if you dont have first hand experience of the dogs (and i dont mean passing one on the way to work every day, i mean owning one) then go to **** if youre stupid enough to believe the newspapers. youre the types of idiots who post here telling people not to buy this gun or that one even tho uve never used one, never mind owned one.

 

and as for the person who said the kennel club dont know what theyre talking about i have only one thing to say - ******* muppit!

 

time to go to sleep and wake up with a hangover

 

I say again I dont watch or read the news much about these dogs I dont need to. All the same answers that staffs are all caring nature some are but theother half isnt. You aint got a minority of bad owners anymore have you.

WELL SAID BABBYC1000 :good:ALSO BOMBADIL

Anyone ever told you its rude to shout?

 

Still trust a lab more than a Staff anyday. Im gonna go work now so dont expect me to reply.

[Jim Sarakun]

Everyone is sorry that such a terrible thing happened, but most people that own dogs agree that the problem is the owners, not the dogs.

If you read back through all these posts, you will find out that is the vast majority of the opinions stated.

 

The voice of sensibility at last. Totally agree with you Cranfield it is the owners who should be held accountable.

 

There should also be stiffer controls and licensing for dogs, all dogs, as you get wonky dogs in all breeds, just like you get wonky humans too and after reading some of these posts, I certainly wouldn't fancy meeting the dogs owned by the perpetrators of some of the posts on this thread, unless I was adequately tooled up that is.

 

Lets not stop with dogs, lets license and control other offensive animals, their owners too, cats definitely, for their serial defecating in my garden for example and taking the birds from my bird table.

 

Parrots should come under this legislation too, because the one next door keeps swearing at my children, what kind of an example of Queens English does that give to them?

 

And my neighbor the other side, I was round his for a beer at the week end and was lip reading his Goldfish. Never before have I witnessed such racist remarks and foul language.

 

Stiffer jail sentences, heavier fines and lets bring back hanging too. Tell you what, lets just vote in an Ayotollah at the next election.

[Evil Elvis]

100% the owners fault, i cant see why the police cant make a prosecution if the woman has cuts,bites and scratches....doesnt add up.??

 

On one of my local shoots, there are a group of chavs that feel its thier right to walk thier staffs on the farm despite no foot paths, on three occasions I have been minding my own business and one of these dogs has charged me teeth flaring....only for thier owners to become hysterical when thier dog gets a shotgun in thier face!!! On 2 occasions, one step closer and they would have been toast, i would have no hesitation, shoot first ask questions later.

 

You could say that about any dog?.................yep, my point is, the whole estate walk thier dogs there, rotties, labs, jack russels,pointers, an akita, a dog the size of a small horse and lurchers....the only dogs that have gone for me have been staffs.

 

Another incident on the same farm was when 2 staffies covered in blood ran up to me, again, my gun was pointed straight at them when a pikie came out of the bushes with a hessian sack over his shoulder and a lurcher at his side covered in blood....the bag i suspect carried a deer. WoBBa was most annoyed that i had pointed my gun at a ****** dog but i WONT allow myself to be savaged by one of these out of control beasts.

 

I personally I hate them, i have been bitten my a so called soft a **** dog....well i can tell you its teeth werent soft as it clamped onto my elbow, if the owner wasnt a good friend that dog would have been dispatched end of.

 

Blame the owners by all means but these dogs were bred for one thing and thats what they do best.

 

And before anyone says Im staffist!!! I would shoot ANY dog that attacked me on my own land .

Edited August 4, 2009 by Evil Elvis

[ChrisNicholls]

Blame the owners by all means but these dogs were bred for one thing and thats what they do best.

 

A simple and concise conclusion

[Nial]

This is meant as a 'non stirring' question.

 

Are dog breeds not bred towards a specific way of behaving?

 

I know most retrievers want to run and get stuff, pointers will point without being trained etc.

 

If this is the case is this behaviour not latent in the breed?

 

What were 'staffies' traditionally bred for? (I genuinely don't know, guardogs?)

 

 

 

Nial

[daz2202]

Anyone or anything is capable of having an off day, We all can lose our temper at the slightest of incident.

 

The problem is when a Staff or alike breed has one of these off days and decides to go on rampage. They are very strong dogs that will not give in.

 

I am absolutly **** scared of a selected few breeds of dog and this being one of them, firstly because of there capabilities and secondly because whenever i see one walking along the road the owner is not normally wearing a t-shirt, has a length of chain for a lead, has a hat on sideways or backwards and his trouser gusset down by his ankles. Normally they cannot take there dog out for a nice country stroll, but 8 or 9 blokes all looking the same taking it for a walk up the town or round the estates.

 

It doesn't make them a bad breed and I understand some people love and trust them.

 

BRING BACK DOG LICENSING. Like someone said earlier if the dog licence man came round and said 'ok mr hard man with a string of convictions you can have a poodle or whatever, Do you think he would? No - because it doesn't fit in with there tough image.

 

 

Please Staffy lovvers dont shout me down, I agree most are / will be perfect dogs. Its a shame that the stigma of a percentage of owners ruin it for you.

[MM]

get a grip soft lad. Not all staffies are "devil dogs". More cats are killed by lurchers or other terrier types than staffies.

It is this knee jerk reaction that has killed off fox hunting, coursing than anything else. every year at this time, when parliament is in recess and the country has gone on holiday tales like this abound and it does annoy, most awfully, people whose devils dogs would not say boo to a goose. it is called in the press , the silly season for good reason!

If you have a dog, please say which type and I am sure I would be able to find an incident in which the breed reacted irrationally.

My devil dog has been used for years to help disabled children, both mentally and physically bond with animals and only yesterday we took her out with a group of autistic children for a countryside ramble that would not have been possible without the steadying influence of the dog.

JDF

 

It should do after it ripped their arms off.

 

 

me and my mrs have a staffie and would trust her more than any other dog i have ever owned , i have had alsations german shepards labradors king charles a couple of whippets and my staffie is the softest dog i have ever owned ! she would never snap bite or anything , it is the owners who make the dogs what they are ! i no someone who as a black lab and it is the most evil dog i have ever seen try to stroke than and it will have you so you saying shoot all labs now ? should ban the ******* owners not take it out on the dogs !

 

 

She would Ryan. Please dont think for one minute that your dog is different from any other staff.

 

 

ARRGGGGHH!!! I cant belive this thread has appeared again. Im going to use my 'powers of MOD' to close it soon

 

Ok, my OPINION.

Why are so many folk shouting its the owners fault that they have trained them this way?

Do you honestly think that these chavs have the knowledge to train a dog? I for one dont. They are left to do what is instinctive, which is show aggression and fight. Before i get all the "load of ****" answers, engage your brain first. You know what i am saying is not far from the truth. The owners should be held accountable for the actions of the dog, as they fail to keep them under control. A dog is a pack animal, regardless of what breed it is. They hunt and kill. YOU CANNOT BREED NATURE OUT OF A DOG. If you think you can, be my guest. Im all for the restriction of this and other breeds.

 

Right, now my ADVISE.

 

Go to the press, and make sure everything is recorded. Try and take out some kind of legal do-dah on the owners if you can find em.

[ryantidgwell]

It should do after it ripped their arms off.

 

 

 

 

 

She would Ryan. Please dont think for one minute that your dog is different from any other staff.

 

 

ARRGGGGHH!!! I cant belive this thread has appeared again. Im going to use my 'powers of MOD' to close it soon

 

Ok, my OPINION.

Why are so many folk shouting its the owners fault that they have trained them this way?

Do you honestly think that these chavs have the knowledge to train a dog? I for one dont. They are left to do what is instinctive, which is show aggression and fight. Before i get all the "load of ****" answers, engage your brain first. You know what i am saying is not far from the truth. The owners should be held accountable for the actions of the dog, as they fail to keep them under control. A dog is a pack animal, regardless of what breed it is. They hunt and kill. YOU CANNOT BREED NATURE OUT OF A DOG. If you think you can, be my guest. Im all for the restriction of this and other breeds.

 

Right, now my ADVISE.

 

Go to the press, and make sure everything is recorded. Try and take out some kind of legal do-dah on the owners if you can find em.

 

the day my dog ever did bite me or anyone else out of anger is the day i take her to the vet to be put down i love her to bits but thats what i would do !! not all dogs are the same!

[garyb]

Some won't like this... But I'll say it AGAIN anyway..

 

They are dog's owned and bred by scum. The sooner their added to the dangerous dogs act the better.

 

Had it been my house... they'd now be two new trophies hanging above the fireplace.

[dieseldogg]

It would be my preception, and I work beside the Council dog pound, that Staffies are lovely friendly dogs

WITH HUMANS

Now with other dogs

Hmmm

They need to well socialised and trained

and unfortunately if provoked they have the ability and determination to kill

Out locall doggie people all seem to support this opinion

we tried a rescue staffie bitch, an absolute honey as friendly as all get out

Except with Bessie our sort of "banned" dog / black lab special( who again is a complete "sooke" with people

But a "wee bit territorial" wit other dogs

Absolutly NO reasoning there

jat

PS

My Max muppet mostly Neopitialn killed a cheeky Jack Russel ( one of ours) with one click of his jaws, he never even got excited and went straight back to sleep.

cheers

M

Edited August 4, 2009 by dieseldogg

[MM]

the day my dog ever did bite me or anyone else out of anger is the day i take her to the vet to be put down i love her to bits but thats what i would do !! not all dogs are the same!

 

 

and not all dogs go to heaven.

 

I agree with what you are saying, but remeber this, its still a dog. Id rather leave my kids with Louise Woodward.

[ryantidgwell]

any one foolish enough to leave a kid with ANY dog be it a poodle or anything is wrong in the head anyway !

[samw]

This is meant as a 'non stirring' question.

 

Are dog breeds not bred towards a specific way of behaving?

 

I know most retrievers want to run and get stuff, pointers will point without being trained etc.

 

If this is the case is this behaviour not latent in the breed?

 

What were 'staffies' traditionally bred for? (I genuinely don't know, guardogs?)

 

 

 

Nial

 

 

staffies where traditionally bred for bear baiting

[MM]

It would be my preception, and I work beside the Council dog pound, that Staffies are lovely friendly dogsWITH HUMANSNow with other dogs

Hmmm

They need to well socialised and trained

and unfortunately if provoked they have the ability and determination to kill

Out locall doggie people all seem to support this opinion

we tried a rescue staffie bitch, an absolute honey as friendly as all get out

Except with Bessie our sort of "banned" dog / black lab special( who again is a complete "sooke" with people

But a "wee bit territorial" wit other dogs

Absolutly NO reasoning there

jat

PS

My Max muppet mostly Neopitialn killed a cheeky Jack Russel ( one of ours) with one click of his jaws, he never even got excited and went straight back to sleep.

cheers

M

 

I work next to a main road, but it does not mean hookers make great wives.

 

they are mad dogs pal, its a fact.

Edited August 4, 2009 by MM

[Chard]

I blame Harriet Harman

[Doc Holliday]

I believe it is a mixture of the breed of dog and how it is treated. Staffies are a very powerful breed but they can also be a very affectionate breed. Our dog is collie x staff and she is the gentlest dog I've ever come across. Not an aggressive bone in her body. Even when she had 2 full breed staffies go at her some months ago she didn't retaliate.

 

To take it a step further to prove my point, anyone who's seen the Dog Whisperer will know he has an American Pit Bull called Daddy. The guy says he is the most balanced dog in his pack (last I heard he had 50 odd dogs in his pack). It is about conditioning that brings out a certain behaviour in dogs, but lets not forget they are also 99% wolf.

 

Different dogs have bred for different traits and any terrier naturally has an over emphasisied aggressive streak in them. It's how we bred them many years ago (See Martin Clunes in One Man & his Dogs).

 

As with all these incidents, I feel it is the owners who are at fault for not having trained the dog(s) responsibly. Why on earth did we do away with dog licensing?