pavman Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 A well-respected source has passed on the QT that a big cat has just been shot in Suffolk , I made a call or two and it seems this may well be the case. Keeper out foxing came across the beast, verified what he was seeing with a buddy and missed the shot, only to bag it a few nights later. I am not sure what the implications are all round, and its very hard to verify the facts BUT I am sure there is truth in this one. So next time out in the fields and you hear a call or movement that sounds unlike a fox, take care it may not be one! pavman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Tell me if you can legally use two hounds to flush game to the gun, could you run these cats with two cat hounds to tree for the gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkBoy Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 That wouldn't have been Black Shuck by any chance would it Pavman?....... Scary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High velocity Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 I think it would have to be in the sporting pictures section for me to truly believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waddy Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Hmm......... Black Shuck Plenty of Puma sightings around now though - believable - I wouldn't want to meet one though - not without a firearm anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted October 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 That wouldn't have been Black Shuck by any chance would it Pavman?....... Scary! Nope, some how wish it was, have been told that one since I was a nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkBoy Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Well it is Halloween....... I've seen quite a few devlish looking dogs when out in Norwich of a Friday night... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted October 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 I've seen quite a few devlish looking dogs when out in Norwich of a Friday night... Best looking girls in the world come from Norwich.....so Mrs pavman says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkBoy Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 I've seen quite a few devlish looking dogs when out in Norwich of a Friday night... Best looking girls in the world come from Norwich.....so Mrs pavman says So I wouldn't dream of disagreeing....... ......As for Yarmouth girls though....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 nttf, I think it would be legal to use two hounds to flush a "big cat" to waiting guns, under the current legislation. What hounds you would use to do this might be interesting. It has always occurred to me that whilst there have been lots of reports of "big cats" in moorland areas (ie. Beast of Bodmin), neither the local staghounds, nor foxhounds, have ever raised such an animal. Perhaps they are not the appropriate breed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob G Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 How would you stand legally if you shot a big cat,on my fac it states fox,deer,vermin and ground game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 nttf, I think it would be legal to use two hounds to flush a "big cat" to waiting guns, under the current legislation.What hounds you would use to do this might be interesting. It has always occurred to me that whilst there have been lots of reports of "big cats" in moorland areas (ie. Beast of Bodmin), neither the local staghounds, nor foxhounds, have ever raised such an animal. Perhaps they are not the appropriate breed. Cranfield: I would personnally choose a couple of Plott hounds or a couple of Treeing Walker hounds. In either case it would have to be hounds that are trained to hunt cats. There are two possible reasons that the fox hounds have never put a cat up...1) they ignore it like all farm cats and livestock, or 2) they big cats are a myth or possibly mistaken identity and just are not there. I would love to find out if they are real or not. If it was guarenteed that I could run I might very well be convinced to bring a couple of cat hounds with me next year. This would mean that we would need to know 100% that it would be legal, and have permission to run on areas that are suppose to have cats on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 How would you stand legally if you shot a big cat,on my fac it states fox,deer,vermin and ground game. I was talking to a friend about this recently Rob. He pointed out that you would break your FAC if you were to shoot boar if not listed. Using this as a benchmark I would guess you would be in as much trouble if you shot a big cat. Although you would have a very good defence as it could be a danger to you and others. Hopefully someone will nail one soon. Look forward to hearing if Pavmans tale. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topgunners Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Yo nttf. I thought Plott hounds were used for BEAR not cats. CHARACTERISTICS Active, fast, bright, kind, confident, courageous, vicious fighters on game, super treeing instinct; take readily to water, alert, quick to learn, have great endurance and beauty. or is that what is known as a "naked pussy" - a bare cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob G Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Thats what i thought LB,what if you shot it with a shotgun, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rarms Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 depends if your ticket lists 'other pests for the purpose of protecting livestock' or words to that effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Thats what i thought LB,what if you shot it with a shotgun, I would swear on my dogs life that it was going to kill me Rob LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob G Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 I think i would shoot it and face the music,if i took a shot at it and missed i would put my hand behind me and start throwing $h1te at it,there would be plenty there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 I was among a group of shooters, some of whom were senior Police Officers (not FO's), when this subject was discussed. The general opinion was that these creatures were "alien" and not native to this Country. As they were not on any listing, neither protected nor permitted species, you would be entitled to shoot them. I assume the final arbiter would be a Court of Law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Yo nttf. I thought Plott hounds were used for BEAR not cats. CHARACTERISTICS Active, fast, bright, kind, confident, courageous, vicious fighters on game, super treeing instinct; take readily to water, alert, quick to learn, have great endurance and beauty. or is that what is known as a "naked pussy" - a bare cat. Dave: Plotts are used on bears, cats and raccoons. Tuff hounds with loads of heart. Someone needs to contact Basc or whoever to get us a ruling on this one, as I could have a set of hounds ready for this time next year. Hear kitty , kitty , kitty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 (edited) Cranners - I don`t think that would hold water in court,as we have Egyptian geese here and parakeets etc etc.even the humble(and tasty)bunny is not"native",and one could argue that everyone could shoot our (ex)native wild boar,lynx,beaver ,bear,wild aurox......see what I mean. However on my ticket it says" 6(4,5) iv-the shooting of animals for the protection of other animals or humans. I rest my case M`lud Edited October 31, 2005 by henry d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 there was a rumour going round of a "lion/puma"on the loose in cambridgeshire a few years back but when they finally got it they found out that it was one of those ridiculous poodles with basically all its hair shaved off bar its main so people were mistaking it for a lion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Cranners - I don`t think that would hold water in court,as we have Egyptian geese here and parakeets etc etc.even the humble(and tasty)bunny is not"native",and one could argue that everyone could shoot our (ex)native wild boar,lynx,beaver ,bear,wild aurox......see what I mean.However on my ticket it says" 6(4,5) iv-the shooting of animals for the protection of other animals or humans. I rest my case M`lud Wild Boar ex-native? LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M ROBSON Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Ther are quite a few sightings of large cats in Fife each year, I have seen one myself. Last season while driving to meet my friend before morning flight a large cat, Springer Spaniel size, ran (quite slowly) across the road, 30 yards in front of me. It wasn't black, it looked just like an overgrown tabby with a big bushy tail. I could hardly believe my eyes. I know another guy who had a black cat in his lamp while out shooting one night but didn't shoot it. I also know of a keeper who said he shot one but didn't report it, he said thet type of thing was more common than you think. Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Ex as in was,you could have an ex wife and still re marry her(you would be a T*** but you could) The wild piggies are generally1/2 boar and 1/2 domestic,but will revert back to type(wild boar) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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