Shooting phesant with 22lr

[JMW]

Hey,

 

On my FAC it states that I can shoot vermin and ground game with the 22lr, does that include phesants on the ground with a suitable backstop? I just wanted to check as ive got many that keep raiding my geese feed and one shotgun cartridge would scare the rest away, as well as scare the horses.

 

Thanks

 

Jon

Edited October 3, 2010 by JMW

[wildfowler.250]

Would think that would be hares

[mossy835]

[JMW]

Would think that would be hares

 

So only with a shotgun then?

[kent]

Pheasants aint vermin so you would be in breach of FAC conditions unless it could / might come under the general terms of estate management etc. if this is on your certificate It will do a tidy job on them though.

[Fishermanpaddy]

Pulled this of BASC's website

 

"Ground game includes both hares and rabbits and is subject to its own set of

legislation and rules. However there are some occasions where the law

applies differently to rabbits and hares and this fact sheet aims to clarify all

cases in relation to both species."

 

heres the link for the factsheet

 

 

http://www.basc.org.uk/download.cfm/docid/...5BBD6502488250B

[wildfowler.250]

So only with a shotgun then?

 

I would have thought so. If your bothered about the noise maybe look at a hushpower?

 

 

 

ATB

[al4x]

pheasants aren't ground game so no you can't. On one hand you want to stop them eating your feed and on the other not scare them all just sounds like you want to shoot a load of pheasants with your rifle not really the done thing

[Essex Keeper]

i thought it was illegal to shot a pheasant unless it was flying

[Paddy Galore!]

just don't tell anyone

[Dave-G]

Devils advocat stuff maybe but I think I have seen words to the effect of: Anything damaging/eating or otherwise affecting crop, livestock, food etc can be considered vermin. To my way of thinking, "uninvited" pheasants feeding on food supplied for a persons geese could, in this albeit unusual instance, be considered as vermin by the person wishing to fatten his goose rather than his neighbours pheasant.

[silpig5]

this may sound odd but

wild geese or fattening geese for market ?

 

i see the predicament if they are fattening , so im sure a call to yr flo would give you a yay or nay to the "protection of your livestock".

sell it as it is , not the odd pheasant but a serious threat to livestock fedding.

 

[activeviii]

if you dont want them in your feed then shoot with shotgun. like you said, you only get one before the rest fly away.

i have shot pigeons next to horses loads of time and after the first shot then their fine. sound like you just what to shoot them and as many as can.

[CharlieT]

If they truly are causing you economic loss why not just ask your Licensing Manager to add the correct condition to your FAC................simple.

[al4x]

or use an airgun then no laws apply

[jonevo]

I agree with the above from al4x a suitable air rifle will do the job and will not scare your geese or horses

[kent]

I agree with the above from al4x a suitable air rifle will do the job and will not scare your geese or horses

 

Shot placement is the issue here its a big bird for a std air rifle to finish cleanly

[Vince Green]

I would have thought anything thats eating your feed could be considered as vermin. Years ago my uncle Harry used to shoot pigeons on the ground all the time with his .22 because he said there wasn't enough meat on them to justify wasting a shotgun cartridge on them.

[CharlieT]

Pheasants are game birds and no matter what they do their status will not alter, and unless the game laws change they will not be classed as vermin.

[Shootingman]

i thought it was illegal to shot a pheasant unless it was flying

I don't think it is illegal but it is unsporting I think he just wants to shoot them on the ground with a rifle.

[Vince Green]

Pheasants are game birds and no matter what they do their status will not alter, and unless the game laws change they will not be classed as vermin.

Correct me if I am wrong, He's shooting the birds on his own land so I don't see how the game laws come into it. The question was does the vermin condition on his FAC cover this situation. This is a fairly new question, its only recently that the police have really started to impose such conditions regarding what is or isn't "vermin". Do they have the right? Do they have the knowledge.

 

There is no definition of vermin, its a general expression. Like saying whats a weed?

 

A farmer's .22 rifle was (and still is) "the farm rifle" and he can shoot anything he likes with it IMO if its nicking his feed.

 

Pandering to all these silly rules that aren't rules made up by faceless bureaucrats somewhere is just plain daft.

[Colster]

I don't see the problem, they're in season and if they are on his land (or he has permission to shoot them) then fine. I'm not a huge fan of pheasant but I have taken the odd one for Sunday lunch with an air-rifle if it lingers in the garden.

[Lez325]

Correct me if I am wrong, He's shooting the birds on his own land so I don't see how the game laws come into it. The question was does the vermin condition on his FAC cover this situation. This is a fairly new question, its only recently that the police have really started to impose such conditions regarding what is or isn't "vermin". Do they have the right? Do they have the knowledge.

 

There is no definition of vermin, its a general expression. Like saying whats a weed?

 

A farmer's .22 rifle was (and still is) "the farm rifle" and he can shoot anything he likes with it IMO if its nicking his feed.

 

Pandering to all these silly rules that aren't rules made up by faceless bureaucrats somewhere is just plain daft.

 

 

Definition of Vermin

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermin

 

Les

[al4x]

Vince there is a definition of Game bird though and pheasants are definitely covered by it.

 

P.s the airgun comment was meant very tongue in cheek

[CharlieT]

Correct me if I am wrong, He's shooting the birds on his own land so I don't see how the game laws come into it. The question was does the vermin condition on his FAC cover this situation. This is a fairly new question, its only recently that the police have really started to impose such conditions regarding what is or isn't "vermin". Do they have the right? Do they have the knowledge.

 

There is no definition of vermin, its a general expression. Like saying whats a weed?

 

A farmer's .22 rifle was (and still is) "the farm rifle" and he can shoot anything he likes with it IMO if its nicking his feed.

 

Pandering to all these silly rules that aren't rules made up by faceless bureaucrats somewhere is just plain daft.

 

 

We were talking "vermin" as far as conditions on his FAC is concerned.

 

To be within the law as far as his fac conditions are concerned vermin would not include pheasants.

 

I consider deer as vermin on my farm but I can't shoot them under my vermin condition I have to have deer listed, same as hares I have to have ground game as a condition because they are not vermin.

 

The police do not make up the law as to what is vermin and what is game it's the law of the land and enshrined in the game acts.

 

I'm suprised that some who shoot don't even know of the existance of the game acts let alone the difference between game and vermin.

 

Incidently all birds are protected and only those listed on the general license may be shot under the terms of the licence, which does not include game birds. Game birds and hares may be shot in accordance with the game laws as detailed in the game act.

 

These are not rules made up by faceless bureaucrats but laws made government over 100 years ago.