Time to register our discontent about cartridge prices

[sitsinhedges]

Get that diesel van running on veg oil, for a man of your Kalibre it would be easy fitting a twin tank!!! Then you`ll be laughing all the way to the woodies at 35ppl.

 

 

It's petrol

 

2 grand cheaper when I bought it and at the time there was enough difference in the price per litre to make it worth it. I did look at running my last van on veg oil but the price of it shot thru the roof to mimic the price of diesel and apparently Citroens don't work too well on it.

 

I just need to get some decent work don't I, and put a few quid away ready for the harvest

[Salopian]

S-L-O-W-L-Y a number of you are chiming in and agreeing that you have noticed that less people are shooting and more people are feeling the pinch.

This my whole point.

The cartridge manufacturers are not giving us a fair deal. Sovereigns at over £200 a thou is a perfect example, bearing in mind that we can all buy a cartridge at £140 a thou, are the components in Sovereigns really £60 - £70 more expensive?

Are Game cartridges really that much more refined than a 28gram clay load? Of course not it is just profiteering for a limited time.

I reload and I can tell you that a reload is a far superior load to a mass produced cartridge that can/does often have a tipped wad, no powder charge, or poor crimp.

No chaps I do have to say that we ARE being ripped off and the sport will be the poorer for it.

Incidentally I do think that the Modena cartridge is very good value, but how come we can import it so cheap? I would bet that it actually costs about £98 a thousand and the rest is mark up by the varying factions.

So why can't a UK company do a similar priced cartridge?

[artschool]

i have an idea. why dont we just organise a boycott of one manufacturer. then they will be forced to drop price. then we switch the boycott to another manufacturer.

[Salopian]

It works with Petrol Companies, but then you will get people saying " I can't shoot anything except **** Cartridges otherwise I miss".

But yes you are right a boycott of some sought would be a wake up call to the greedy *******.

[sitsinhedges]

It works with Petrol Companies, but then you will get people saying " I can't shoot anything except **** Cartridges otherwise I miss".

But yes you are right a boycott of some sought would be a wake up call to the greedy *******.

 

No it doesn't work with petrol companies and most of the price of fuel is tax anyway.

 

How does having the most expensive fuel ever give you the idea it works with petrol companies

[VicW]

Up to a couple of years ago,when cartridge prices started to rise,I used top price Express cartidges. As the price started to creep up I started to use cheaper brands and now use Kent Velocity at £138/1000.

My scores haven't gone down in that time so I reckon your average clay shooter could easily use cheaper cartridges without detriment to their scores.

If,however,you are a top class competition shooter who regularly shoots in the major championships one kill can make all the difference. In this instance then maybe there is justification for cartridges with higher antimony content and better control of the shot quality.

 

Vic.

[kdubya]

I have seen a reduction in the number of people shooting clays or like myself still shooting but with a reduction in the amount of clay shooting they do, ( and so have the owner's of two local clay grounds) BUT its not just carts that is the problem its the cost of travel petrol is through the roof, clays are more than double the price of 3 years ago, I used to travel regularly perhaps once a fortnight to rufforth with my mates its a 3 hour round trip so we made a day of it, there used to be 6 of us, now only 3 still shoot and only 2 regularly,I dont get to rufforth now, you work it out?

 

KW

[ChrisAsh]

Cartridges are one side of the cost, but nobody mentions the costs of shooting clays, around here we spend about £4.50 a round of skeet or sporting 25, Thats far more than the price of the cartridges and is about £0.18 a clay

 

Whilst clubs and owners do have to make a profit as do all businesses, I would have thought there was room for cost cutting in this area maybe something like a annual club membership of say a hundred or couple of hundred pounds up front with large reduction in costs of a round, so that the more you shoot the more you benifit the cheaper price

[throbbingfinger]

As the above post says add in the cost of the amount the clay ground charges and you end up with a not so cheap time. I'm going on Friday morning to a place near me which is £30 for a 100 sporting add in my cartridges that's nearly £60 quid. On the up side I spend less at the pub now.

[The Clay Rascal]

As the above post says add in the cost of the amount the clay ground charges and you end up with a not so cheap time. I'm going on Friday morning to a place near me which is £30 for a 100 sporting add in my cartridges that's nearly £60 quid. On the up side I spend less at the pub now./quote]

 

there must be some knowledgeable guys on here who could set up a little cart manufacturing place and make a small profit with a large turnover to keep some of us happy? would it be that expensive to set up.

[SteveoM]

As the above post says add in the cost of the amount the clay ground charges and you end up with a not so cheap time. I'm going on Friday morning to a place near me which is £30 for a 100 sporting add in my cartridges that's nearly £60 quid. On the up side I spend less at the pub now./quote]

 

there must be some knowledgeable guys on here who could set up a little cart manufacturing place and make a small profit with a large turnover to keep some of us happy? would it be that expensive to set up.

there is a big company near us that make carts in the 1000???s and i consult for the engineering works that manufactures some of there machines. I would say you would need at least £500k to set up a small (really small) comercial manufacturing facility and would struggle to produce carts any cheaper. You would need to buy materials in bulk and this would cost at least £?k . Its an expensive game to get into and say afloat in. It just would not work.

[Whitebridges]

Most Cartridge companies are re-doing their packaging and carts. Expect a price drop in the Spring. I kid you not.

[Kermit the frog]

My local club 'Forhill' realised some time ago that, if they had to pick up the empties, and pay to get ride of them, they may as well sell them.

 

They sold them at cost until they were selling enough to buy in bulk, and now sell them cheap, and at the same rate no matter how many you buy.

 

Makes sense for the grounds to sell them, they put on the shoots!

 

kermit

[Chard]

It's certainly an expensive game to get involved in. I can't really compare it with the past, as I've only been at it for 6 years or so, but it makes a hole in your bank balance.

 

My youngest son (he's 15) has expressed an interest in getting into it, after having a go on a couple of occasions at Worsley.

 

Whilst I'm over the moon that he's got the bug (got to be better than PS3 and TV) I'm fearful of the cost of both of us hammering it every weekend

[Dunkield]

I don't think it is the price rise overall that is alarming (as has been pointed out cartridges were there or there abouts £100/1000 for donkeys years) it seems it is the actual rate of increase that is concerning.

And for the record some clay grouds round my way are almost dead, I would say numbers must be down 50% or more on last year alone.

[sitsinhedges]

I don't think it is the price rise overall that is alarming (as has been pointed out cartridges were there or there abouts £100/1000 for donkeys years) it seems it is the actual rate of increase that is concerning.

And for the record some clay grouds round my way are almost dead, I would say numbers must be down 50% or more on last year alone.

 

 

I don't think a couple of quid less for cartridges is going to do much.

 

The cost of clays and fuel to get there are the biggest expenses.

[Boristhedog]

I don't think a couple of quid less for cartridges is going to do much.

 

The cost of clays and fuel to get there are the biggest expenses.

 

You mention the cost of clays but they don’t cost that much, a few pence at most per clay. I know that the cost we pay for ‘clays’ has to cover all overheads (unless club membership costs are involved) but charging 25 to 30p a clay seems high. Am I being naive about this or would those of you running businesses feel this is a fair mark up?

 

ps sorry if this is a subject change too far.

[sitsinhedges]

You mention the cost of clays but they don’t cost that much, a few pence at most per clay. I know that the cost we pay for ‘clays’ has to cover all overheads (unless club membership costs are involved) but charging 25 to 30p a clay seems high. Am I being naive about this or would those of you running businesses feel this is a fair mark up?

 

ps sorry if this is a subject change too far.

 

 

I really enjoy a good old blast around the Sporting but the clays and carts and fuel for that 100 birds amount to about £45 for an hours fun and isn't sustainable for me. I just shoot half as many now and have joined the club to try and keep costs down in the longer term.

 

I suppose it's no worse than the amount I used to spend on booze when I was younger

 

It's never going to be cheap though.

[bullet1747]

im new to the shot gun shooting (8 months ) so cant comment on the has been prices ,but i pay 140/1000 Kent velocity to be fair never had a prob ,and i dont have a gripe about price of carts i dont smoke or drink so dont have an out lay like 99% of you lol

Edited December 31, 2010 by bullet1747

[HDAV]

You mention the cost of clays but they don’t cost that much, a few pence at most per clay. I know that the cost we pay for ‘clays’ has to cover all overheads (unless club membership costs are involved) but charging 25 to 30p a clay seems high. Am I being naive about this or would those of you running businesses feel this is a fair mark up?

 

ps sorry if this is a subject change too far.

I know what you mean they pay 6p a clay and you pay 25p but they store it, move it out to the £2k machine that launches it power the machine pay the man to load sometimes several loads a day also cover the cost of having somones collect the money + all usual business overheads. there is a big difference between a Clay as an object and launched clay as a target, its the launching them that costs the money..... in round numbers at 25p a clay and £3.75 for box of carts your talking £10 per 25 so £40 to shoot 100, you can get it down to £30 ish with cheap clays and carts.... What else can you do for £30 per hour ish

 

 

Most Cartridge companies are re-doing their packaging and carts. Expect a price drop in the Spring. I kid you not.

One thing i dont get is as most clay shooters buy carts by the 1000 why do they come in 4 boxes of 250 neatly packed into 10 boxes of 25 for most people to then rip the top off and dump the contents into a pocket or bag, they do seem overly packaged, why dont they come in a bucket like tub or similar or just loose in a big box like washing powder (may be not in 1000 but 200/250?)

Edited January 5, 2011 by HDAV

[gwb]

I have to use fibres at nearly all the shoots i go to. and the cheapest i can get is £160/1000

 

so to go out and shoot 100 birds costs at least £40 plus petrol.

 

Ive only being shooting 18 months give or take and i can remember english sporters at £122 per 1000

 

the argument of they have been cheap for years makes no sense, in my work our prices have been pretty cheap for nearly 10 years, if I was to sudddenly incerease the price by 30% my clients would go elsewhere without a doubt, trouble is we need carts to shoot

 

unfortunatley i have made the decision this year to cut down my shooting clays and focus on pigeon shooting and training my dog.

[Catamong]

Most Cartridge companies are re-doing their packaging and carts. Expect a price drop in the Spring. I kid you not.

 

Hmm, more chance of seeing a pig flying over Fakenham.

 

Cat.

[Guest cookoff013]

Yes, I'd love to, only trouble is reloads are not allowed in proper competition shooting, good job too, in the States they get regular blown barrels when some muppet double powder loads a home load. :blink:

 

Cat.

 

true, i`ve known a guy intentionally double charge shells, because it "wacks `em `ard"

cartridge prices have shot up to silly prices. i use dto pay £90 / 1000 5 years ago.

then was charged, £80 for 250, for some gambore fibre whites. (couldnt buy at that price)

 

never shot gamebore lead since, i just used the steel at £90, and £110, for clay practice.

i can shoot nearly 4 times as much. !

Edited January 5, 2011 by cookoff013