Catweazle Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 The bods at CERN have repeated their experiment with some different parameters designed to reduce errors, and have again measured Neutrinos travelling through 450 miles of rock at faster than light speed. Big news. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236 I might be wrong, but if speed of light and time are fixed together, and Neutrinos are faster than light, does that mean that the Neutrinos are arriving in Italy before they are leaving CERN ? Obviously impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickmep Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I might be wrong, but if speed of light and time are fixed together, and Neutrinos are faster than light, does that mean that the Neutrinos are arriving in Italy before they are leaving CERN ? Obviously impossible. Time does funny things at those sort of speeds. They are only arriving before they leave relative to their own position. To us they still appear to arrive after they have left, just an exceptionally short time after they have left. IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 So Einstein was wrong then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 It needs properly verifying at an alternative site before everyone rips up their physics books. Actually I heard that a conclusive result may only result in a further refinement of the relativity laws so worse case Einstein's law is incomplete rather than wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted November 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Actually I heard that a conclusive result may only result in a further refinement of the relativity laws so worse case Einstein's law is incomplete rather than wrong. E=MC2 +(a bit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 So Einstein was wrong then. relatively speaking yes KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 He was right about time with a beautiful woman passing faster than time with an ugly one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfletch Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 If you turn your headlights on then do 60mph the light must be traveling 60mph faster than light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 If you turn your headlights on then do 60mph the light must be traveling 60mph faster than light Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I might be wrong, but if speed of light and time are fixed together, and Neutrinos are faster than light, does that mean that the Neutrinos are arriving in Italy before they are leaving CERN ? Obviously impossible. If they do the experiment in the dark does that mean time stands still.....goes backward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 E=MC2 +(a bit) Whilst in pure theoretical terms the speed of light at 186,246 MPH (or there abouts), cannot be exceeded, as I understand it,for the theory to be valid, this latest speed recording was on a smaller neutrino 'burst' which was the criticism of the last test - i.e too many neutrinos to firmly establish it was the same one timed over the 450 mile circuit. Since the speed recorded for the smaller neutrino burst was apparently about 6 MPH faster than the speed of light and there is still some (albeit smaller doubt) about it being the same neutino measured in and out of the speed trap, I'm going with Einstein and an equation of e=Amc*c. A is the universal contstant referred to by Spock in the Star Trek series. The constant A is a variable and has a value of 1.00000017. So at 5/6 MPH over light speed, the theory of relativity still holds. I have no cyclotron to test my theory sadly but hey, it fits the facts as we now know them !!! Rock on Tommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petethegeek Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Whilst in pure theoretical terms the speed of light at 186,246 MPH (or there abouts), cannot be exceeded, as I understand it,for the theory to be valid, this latest speed recording was on a smaller neutrino 'burst' which was the criticism of the last test - i.e too many neutrinos to firmly establish it was the same one timed over the 450 mile circuit. Since the speed recorded for the smaller neutrino burst was apparently about 6 MPH faster than the speed of light and there is still some (albeit smaller doubt) about it being the same neutino measured in and out of the speed trap, I'm going with Einstein and an equation of e=Amc*c. A is the universal contstant referred to by Spock in the Star Trek series. The constant A is a variable and has a value of 1.00000017. So at 5/6 MPH over light speed, the theory of relativity still holds. I have no cyclotron to test my theory sadly but hey, it fits the facts as we now know them !!! Rock on Tommy Are you Jim al-Khalili, by any chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Dont pay to much attention to scientific theorys einstien and the like . They said the rings of saturn were made from cream cheese untill they sent a telescope there and found them to made from special fried rice and had to re-write all the text books . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Dont pay to much attention to scientific theorys einstien and the like . They said the rings of saturn were made from cream cheese untill they sent a telescope there and found them to made from special fried rice and had to re-write all the text books . Harnser . Quite, and most of them dont swing the gun....... TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 Are you Jim al-Khalili, by any chance? No, I am Zapp Branigan and I dont wear shorts !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I'm still asking people who have been to australia on holiday if the water really does go down the plughole the opposite way. Thats my scientific limit!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 was their not a mind boggleing thread on this all ready? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 The bods at CERN have repeated their experiment with some different parameters designed to reduce errors, and have again measured Neutrinos travelling through 450 miles of rock at faster than light speed. Big news. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236 I might be wrong, but if speed of light and time are fixed together, and Neutrinos are faster than light, does that mean that the Neutrinos are arriving in Italy before they are leaving CERN ? Obviously impossible. I like pies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I'm still asking people who have been to australia on holiday if the water really does go down the plughole the opposite way. Thats my scientific limit!! You can make water go which ever way you want down the plughole. Just swirl it anticlockwise with you hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 You can make water go which ever way you want down the plughole. Just swirl it anticlockwise with you hand. Is that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 yeh stephen fry said it was all balls that water thing and he is the king of all things lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 If you turn your headlights on then do 60mph the light must be traveling 60mph faster than light Nope, because the speed is relative to the observer. If you are in a car doing 60 or 6000 or 6 million mph, the light is still moving away from you at the speed of light. If you are outside the car watching it drive along, the light from the headlights is still moving - relative to you - at the speed of light, no matter what the speed of the source. "c" is an unchanging constant, I will put money on the fact that they will eventually find the cockup that has caused the unexpected results from the neutrino experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 He was right about time with a beautiful woman passing faster than time with an ugly one! ...but that can be offset by routinely punching your self in the nuts during the tryst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted November 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 The constant A is a variable and has a value of 1.00000017. Eh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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