andrew mabbett Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 hi, I have just started out shooting pigeons I have shot plenty of pheasants and rabbits but I must say I cant seem to shoot a pigeon I was wondering if someone could give me some info on how much lead I need at so many yards and at a cretin hight e.c.t would much appreciate it Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.I.A Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Best thing i can say is practice, there are so many variables i.e bird speed etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 hi, I have just started out shooting pigeons I have shot plenty of pheasants and rabbits but I must say I cant seem to shoot a pigeon I was wondering if someone could give me some info on how much lead I need at so many yards and at a cretin hight e.c.t would much appreciate it Andrew An impossible question to answer, mate. As the guy above says, practice and more practice. Have a go at some clays. Get someone to randomly launch different targets so you don't know what's coming next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 (edited) had this before if i remember rightly gave same answer, depends on how far away or close the bird is from you and how fast or slow its travelling its not so much a measure of lead its more instinct than anything else, you give the bird the lead you think and feel is right. Edited December 8, 2011 by yickdaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southeastpete Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 14 3/8 inches, works every time. it is impossible to say different distances angles speeds heights all affect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Keep the gun moving right through the trigger pull. I find if I go through a lot of missing it's because I was decelerating my gun as it approached the target. Sorted now shot two pheasants and a woodcock with 4 shots yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Keep the gun moving right through the trigger pull. I find if I go through a lot of missing it's because I was decelerating my gun as it approached the target. Sorted now shot two pheasants and a woodcock with 4 shots yesterday Yeh that's a major problem. It's much easier to do on a clay ground. Many shooters are just too keen to see if they've got a kill, so snatch at the shot instead of following through on the swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Short answer = a lot more than your giving them Practice and being with someone that can watch and give advice to where your shot is going helps (Ash W),eye dominance test (Alan,hitclays),a gun that fits and you use regulary,the same cartridge and favoured choke,keeping to a range you know works,these all helped me to hit more birds this year and the fact that i need TWICE the lead in left to right as opposed to right to left,after that you just get to know where to track through or just up and bang without even thinking it just becomes instant. Get someone who can shoot pigeons to watch you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 I use a very common phrase off here, bum,belly,beak,bang and follow it through and = dead bird. Everyone is different and like everyone has said our eyesight and what we consider to be lead all plays part of it because what I see as lead may result you missing behind so we all have to find out for ourselves and there is no definate answer Do what I done and get on clays constantly then you won't be far wrong. Take vampires advice and get your eye dominance tested and gun fit it all helps... Happy shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) Keep the gun moving right through the trigger pull. I find if I go through a lot of missing it's because I was decelerating my gun as it approached the target. Sorted now shot two pheasants and a woodcock with 4 shots yesterday that is correct. Speed of barrel movement through the target is the key, get those barrels shifting FAST and dont dwell on the aim point to 'make sure'. I dont do many pigeons and those I do are generally on phesant days and they are usually a lot further that the pheasants. At a similar distance they wont want as much as you give pheasants. A Edited December 9, 2011 by Alycidon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 hi, I have just started out shooting pigeons I have shot plenty of pheasants and rabbits but I must say I cant seem to shoot a pigeon I was wondering if someone could give me some info on how much lead I need at so many yards and at a cretin hight e.c.t would much appreciate it Andrew always shot rabbits n pigeons but recently applied for a sgc and while waitng ive had a couple of clay lessons ,locally at lowes lane-best thing i ever did, the coach explained lead distance, gun height flowing with the bird,not rushing the shot where your aiming and how to fit the gun to your self properly well worth your time m8.nothing to lose everthing to gain but dont get addicted to clays they take to long to cook LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beesley121 Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 32g of No 6 should do it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 that is correct. Speed of barrel movement through the target is the key, get those barrels shifting FAST and dont dwell on the aim point to 'make sure'. I dont do many pigeons and those I do are generally on phesant days and they are usually a lot further that the pheasants. At a similar distance they wont want as much as you give pheasants. A :lol: You've nether shot pigeons in high winds on a flight line then The joy of pigeon shooting is it's the bird that will give you every shot you can think of and then sum . Best advice i can give you is to have a go on a good sporting layout (clays) will stand you in good stead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 (edited) ". While pheasants are able to fly fast for short distances, they prefer to run. If startled however, they will burst to the sky in a "flush." Their flight speed is 27 to 38 mph when cruising but when chased they can fly up to 60 mph." http://iowapf.org/page/1100/IowaPheasantHistory---Facts.jsp Edited December 10, 2011 by utectok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 (edited) "Pigeons have been calculated to fly at 58.7 miles per hour, although the average speed is 30 mph." http://www.dialaflight.com/etihad/?gclid=CLqn6-ye-KwCFcsmtAodNTZYRg Edited December 10, 2011 by utectok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 Pretty similar speeds but pheasants don't jink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 Weirdly I have been shooting terribly the last year and someone told me to close one eye today....... Kill ratio went right up, seems that my left I was trying to take over when focusing on the bird which In turn was giving me incorrect lead and causing me to stop the gun. Once I did this I had 6 birds for 8 shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 When I first started pigeon shooting over decoys I was giving them too much lead. Remember a decoyed bird is travelling quite slowly if committed to landing whereas a bird steaming along on a flightline will require a good amount of lead as it certainly isn't slowing down! FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 Weirdly I have been shooting terribly the last year and someone told me to close one eye today....... Kill ratio went right up, seems that my left I was trying to take over when focusing on the bird which In turn was giving me incorrect lead and causing me to stop the gun. Once I did this I had 6 birds for 8 shots Have you checked your eye dominance? Could be cross dominant or left eye dominant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 Have you checked your eye dominance? Could be cross dominant or left eye dominant Yes I have had my eyes tested and done the hand trick thing and I'm right eye dominant and right handed but for some reason I shoot better with my left eye closed ? I am long sighted and my right is the weaker eye so I wonder if it has anything to do with that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 It might there are some other things to try if closing the eye causes issues spots glo beads etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 It might there are some other things to try if closing the eye causes issues spots glo beads etc [/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 I fitted a glow bead to my rizzini and I'm shooting alot better with it, strange how something so easy can change so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dastardlyandmuttly Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 the amount of lead deepends on how much is in the cartridges normally 28-32grames i think but im not sure if it is still used in all cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 the amount of lead deepends on how much is in the cartridges normally 28-32grames i think but im not sure if it is still used in all cartridges Mmm. I'm glad you told me that! I must have been using some of the ones without lead! It would explain all the misses I've been having! :yp: GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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