poontang Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 a lot of game shooters will open the gun and be looking skyward for the next bird while reloading so I can totally understand how this could happen, yes it is silly but so are most accidents - doesn't mean the persons are full time numpties - just that they had a lapse in concentration, thinking about the next bird/target and not about the fact there was no previous second shot - drop a pair of shells in while still looking skyward and bobs yet autie's manny.... Sorry, but I don't go with the lack of concentration/accident bit. If you drop two shells into the gun and one slips down into the barrel you'll get the bang/click scenario as the 20g won't fire. In essence, a hangfire. Everyone should know what to do when that happens. Keep the gun pointing in a safe direction, wait 30 seconds, then open the gun and check the cartridges and barrels. Anyone who mixes 12g/20g cartridges, doesn't check what they're loading and then ignores all safety precautions when they get a hangfire is asking for trouble. That's a chain of events, not a momentary lack of concentration, and certainly no accident. I'm afraid I'm sticking with pure 'numptiness' :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 I sometimes wonder whether people realise the offensive religious irony this symbol represents? Offensive religious irony? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) I sometimes wonder whether people realise the offensive religious irony this symbol represents? Nope....... Please explain It's Darwin in a fish with legs.... Edited April 21, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 I sometimes wonder whether people realise the offensive religious irony this symbol represents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) Sorry, but I don't go with the lack of concentration/accident bit. If you drop two shells into the gun and one slips down into the barrel you'll get the bang/click scenario as the 20g won't fire. In essence, a hangfire. Everyone should know what to do when that happens. Keep the gun pointing in a safe direction, wait 30 seconds, then open the gun and check the cartridges and barrels. Anyone who mixes 12g/20g cartridges, doesn't check what they're loading and then ignores all safety precautions when they get a hangfire is asking for trouble. That's a chain of events, not a momentary lack of concentration, and certainly no accident. I'm afraid I'm sticking with pure 'numptiness' :o :yes: must say I agree with the chain of events theory, even on the hot peg you should notice when something odd happens, be it click no bang, two carts in but only see one in the breach, unusual report, whatever ...... good gun handling skills should kick in, it only takes a few seconds to check the gun is safe and free from obstruction Edited April 22, 2012 by Paul223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Quite possible the poor lad was a new shooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tis1979 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 I've never understood how anyone could do it without noticing. There must be some real numpties out there. Last year I was down the marsh and my mate was having a punt gun he built himself proofed and I got talking to guy doing the proofing he said they have at least one a month in that has had the barrel blown from wrong size cart half way down the tube, strangest one he had they couldn't explain at first then they sent away some samples when they got the results it transpired that a guy out decoying laid his gun down to fix his pattern and a field mouse ran in the tube guy picks up gun mouse stuck in barel yep bang.........whoops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 i take 20 gauge with me, to use in the 20gauge adapters never get them mixed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 There is a video on utube some where ,where they did an experiment by putting a 20 bore cartridge down a 12 bore gun and pulled the trigger . Nothing happened . The gun stayed intact with out any damage . The worse thing that happened was they couldn't find the 20 bore cartridge ,not surprisingly . I wouldnt want to try it . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?v=dklehuk6CAI Poor old sxs taking a 20g then overloaded with a 12g over the top!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Modern guns don't react as badly but still dangerous after a faff this morning with a semi not firing and having the first dud from eley firsts and the bloke infront having only one working barrel working it was an interesting day for issues. Can you accidentally load a 20 bore in a semi? Would it feed from the magazine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) I took my grandson out on the clays this morning, asked for a box of 28g and received 12g, 28grm, I gave them back and pointed out the error and was duly given 20g, I again pointed out the error and was told we don't stock 28g cartridges. Edited April 22, 2012 by bakerboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Apparently the lad was 19 and using a Lanber O/U. The barrels of said gun were fetched down from the top of a tree and were split in 3 places. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Google 'Icthus'. It's a symbol associated with Christianity. I think it originated as some sort of secret sign in places where Christianity was suppressed. Hard-core bible thumpers will e upset as they don't belive in evolution. I don't really accept the fact that it's offensive though. Religion is all fairy stories as far as i'm concerned and if someone finds something like that offensive they need to adjut their sense of rationality. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Apparently the lad was 19 and using a Lanber O/U. The barrels of said gun were fetched down from the top of a tree and were split in 3 places. :blink: So some poor 19 year old makes a mistake and loses half an arm and fingers - hope he doesn't come on here and read the "numpty" comments.... my sympathies are with the lad. Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 So some poor 19 year old makes a mistake and loses half an arm and fingers - hope he doesn't come on here and read the "numpty" comments.... my sympathies are with the lad. Regards, Gixer It's the Way with some people someone makes a mistake or has an accident they are a numpty or should be allowed to do ...... but if they have an accident or make a mistake it's everyone else's fault. Give people a break offer advice try and help them learn. I'll get off my soap box now sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 I am just glad to see that most on this forum never make mistakes. In my experience its sometimes the people that think they know everything about guns are the ones that become complacent and make mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) Give people a break offer advice try and help them learn. Ok. If you own a 12g and a 20g my advice would be: A Thoroughly check your pockets/belt/bag that you haven't mixed the two different sized cartridges. B Look at what you're putting into the gun. C If the gun doesn't fire, wait 30 seconds, open slowly and check the barrels. Following all the above will ensure you never blow your gun apart. Now, if I'd given the above advice to a newbie asking about the problems of shooting with a 12g and 20g I don't think anyone would disagree with it. Would they? So why does it suddenly make me 'perfect' to say it now? Edited April 22, 2012 by poontang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Poontang A it was not aimed at you personally so chill B it does not make you prefect but it is good advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 We dont know all the facts that led to the accident, he may of been messing about, someone else might have been messing about, he could have just bought his first gun and gone to try it out . . . who knows, but assuming hes a moron, numpty or what ever, as per usual people jump the gun and think the worst I can't understand how drivers crash into the back of other cars on motorways . . . . . it happens, and because it does it doesn't automatically mean the driver is at fault and they are numptys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 A traffic survey proved that some silly percent of crashes were caused by the person in front slamming on brakes!! Like said above we don't know the facts BUT it makes you think how easily accidents happen. I'm sure we have all been on a pheasant drive where you looking at the sky constantly and don't pay attention to the breech of our guns when loading. Just be safe and keep different cartridges separate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 I believe about 5 years ago this very acident happened I believe to the Editor of the Field,a very experienced gun during a flush at a clay ground. A truly horrendous accident and a warning that it can and does happen.All the best to the young lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 (edited) Edited April 23, 2012 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berties Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 All sound advice ,but accidents happen,it comes down to the subject, shooting starts for the young in the classroom,my lad was shown the effects on day one as the young start on different bores,shown the effects on a blown gun and explained the problem,it should be drummed in from the start of shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 Sorry, but I don't go with the lack of concentration/accident bit. If you drop two shells into the gun and one slips down into the barrel you'll get the bang/click scenario as the 20g won't fire. In essence, a hangfire. Everyone should know what to do when that happens. Keep the gun pointing in a safe direction, wait 30 seconds, then open the gun and check the cartridges and barrels. Anyone who mixes 12g/20g cartridges, doesn't check what they're loading and then ignores all safety precautions when they get a hangfire is asking for trouble. That's a chain of events, not a momentary lack of concentration, and certainly no accident. I'm afraid I'm sticking with pure 'numptiness' :o While driving your car, have you ever suddenly realised that you can't remember going over the level crossing, or similar, about 2 miles ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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