oilyrag Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Looking to introduce my 7 year old son to the world of shooting this summer and was thinking of something along the lines of a .410 for his first gun. I'm only really familiar with 12g and don't have any .410 experience. Could anybody suggest which type of gun would be best suited to a youngster ie bolt action, folding or even an o/u or even point me in the direction of suitable models? Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattslaptop247 Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Ive got a folding one in the sales section. 80 pounds if you want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Looking to introduce my 7 year old son to the world of shooting this summer and was thinking of something along the lines of a .410 for his first gun. I'm only really familiar with 12g and don't have any .410 experience. Could anybody suggest which type of gun would be best suited to a youngster ie bolt action, folding or even an o/u or even point me in the direction of suitable models? Thanks in advance. Simple solution ? What about a cheap single barrel baikal, pick s/h for £80 or new I believe £180ish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Something like the little folder in the guns for sale would be OK, nice little guns in my view. The only thing with the single barrel folders is you can't get a second shot off quickly, but they are very light to carry round, and with short cartridges recoil should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 (edited) A little yildiz 410 over and under Edited April 30, 2012 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I have just got my kids a .410 single barrel folder. It's light and only having the one barrel it's a bit safer. It's an old Belgian gun but it's just the job and when they are done with it ill sell it for the same money. My 7 year old is very big for his age but an o/u is to big and heavy for him. I would avoid a bolt action. They are a bit heavier and I want to get him used to handling a traditional style gun. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Simple solution ? What about a cheap single barrel baikal, pick s/h for £80 or new I believe £180ish can't argue with that. I learnt with one and so did my brother. Cheap and you can teach safety with it,(plus one shot is easy to keep track of). As soon as we could hit anything flying we both went onto a 20 so I wouldn't spend a fortune on a .410,(I very quickly wanted a bigger cartridge so I had a better chance of hitting something). I bought a yildiz once I could shoot for an extra challenge. Nice gun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattslaptop247 Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Ive got a folding one in the sales section. 80 pounds if you want it. could rfd it for an extra tenner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 One point worth mentioning is - whatever you buy - take it out yourself and try a days shooting with it and see if YOU can hit something - they can be difficult to shoot and it may put your lad off if he has no sucess with it.. Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinchesterDave Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I don't know Much about webley and Scott but last time I looked on their site they did a W&S .410 'junior' over and under. Looked like a nice little gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyotemaster Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 One point worth mentioning is - whatever you buy - take it out yourself and try a days shooting with it and see if YOU can hit something - they can be difficult to shoot and it may put your lad off if he has no sucess with it.. Regards, Gixer Excellent advice Gixer!!! a whole lot of single barrels have way too much drop at the heel causing problems hitting anything with them. Hard for a youngster to get enthused about shooting if he never can hit. Sako may have some advice as his son shoots an O/U .410, and pretty well I might add. He is a bit older though than your son. Take your time selecting --don't let anyone push something on you. His first impression only comes once! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Brian Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I learn't to shoot with a bolt action Norica. I was lucky that it was only a small shoot so the trappers would release singles for me and pairs for everyone else. Once I had progressed to 12 bore, the bolt action would still come out as a bit of fun with my Dad on pairs (you gotta be quick). Anyway, enough of memory lane: I am currently running a Yildiz side by side .410. I would suggest going down the o/U or SxS route for the second shot. On the safety front I don't think it matters whether you go for bolt, folding etc. They are all dangerous if not handled properly it just means slightly different procedures for each. For shells I would go for shot size 8 or 9 to help make up for the lack of pellets on clays or 6 and 7 in 3 inch flavour for pigeon. If your lad is big enough and you don't mind even more expensive shells have a look at a 28 bore. Above all try and select the type of shooting to closer targets if it is possible until a bit of confidence is built up then start pushing it. Hope this helps Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I've got a Yildiz side by side, non ejector. A superb little gun, and you don't have to put two cartridges in, just because it's a double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I would look at a 28 bore its still light but with more life as it can fire 23 g cartridge for when he gets older Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 and you don't have to put two cartridges in, just because it's a double. That is a clever piece of advice.... in my opinion the single barrel shot guns are pretty useless unless a carry gun for snares etc... Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I had a .410 o/u for my lad when he started at the age of 9, lovely little gun but he was really struggling to hit much with it. You could see that he was pretty much right on the clays but they just wouldn't break consistently, sometimes you could even hear the pellets hitting the clay but it would fly on unbroken. I decided to take the .410 out on a round of 50 sporting, i went around first with my 12g and scored a normal for me 40, i then went around again with the .410 and really struggled scoring 19 . A few weekends later found us in the gunshop getting some cartridges and my lad picked up a s/h 26 inch barreled Fabarm 12g skeet gun, it fitted ok and the deal was done to part ex the .410. That was about 12 months ago and he now shoots approx 50% of the clays he shoots at, managed a few pigeons last harvest and even had his first duck and pheasant on beaters day this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyspigeon67 Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 ive got a webley and scott junior .410 amazing gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 That is a clever piece of advice.... in my opinion the single barrel shot guns are pretty useless unless a carry gun for snares etc... Regards, Gixer i would disagree with that one i went out this morning with my little single barrel 410 round the barns at work using 2" 9g carts fired 17 shots and ended with 12 small rabbits and 3 pigeon and 2 missed shots, just got to know your limits for me it is 20 yard max this is just my opinion colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunny_blaster Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 I dont get this .410 for begginers stuff. The only advantage is the lack of recoil. You would be much better to start a begginer off with a light load 20 or 28 bore. Begginers want to be using open chokes and lots of shot to get them hitting targets. They will soon become bored and loose interst if there missing. Cheers Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Looking to introduce my 7 year old son to the world of shooting this summer and was thinking of something along the lines of a .410 for his first gun. I'm only really familiar with 12g and don't have any .410 experience. Could anybody suggest which type of gun would be best suited to a youngster ie bolt action, folding or even an o/u or even point me in the direction of suitable models? Thanks in advance. oilyrag Just bought one for my Grandsons to learn with ( Both 8 years old ) Breda .410 single barrel folding gun from ....Adam Partridge Gun Auction. Other 410s available ( S.b.s / Over / Unders ) but decided on the single because of weight and safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad1 Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 (edited) My 9 yr old uses a 410 at the clays no prob if it's in the middle of pattern and close enough it will break Ask bakerboy as he will vouch for him.the only reason we are looking for a 28g now is so it will last him a few more years in my eyes if you can make a clean kill with a 410 you can easily kill it with a bigger calibre So you should use a gun that fits well and they can handle the recoil as that's one less thing to worry about while they are learning I also personally would add to use a single shot for a beginner as they tend to make more if the shot rather than just blasting away Edited May 1, 2012 by mad1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 I dont get this .410 for begginers stuff. The only advantage is the lack of recoil. You would be much better to start a begginer off with a light load 20 or 28 bore. Begginers want to be using open chokes and lots of shot to get them hitting targets. They will soon become bored and loose interst if there missing. Cheers Ben Because a 28 or 20 bore is to heavy for a 7 and 5 year old to handle. It's not the kick that's the issue but they are never going to be able to hit anything with a gun the cant shoulder and aim properly. I have the .410 to get them started and and have a 28 for them to move onto when they are big enough. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunny_blaster Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Because a 28 or 20 bore is to heavy for a 7 and 5 year old to handle. It's not the kick that's the issue but they are never going to be able to hit anything with a gun the cant shoulder and aim properly. I have the .410 to get them started and and have a 28 for them to move onto when they are big enough. Harry A single barrel 20/28 isnt going to be much heavier than a single .410 and you will have a better kill ratio with there being alot more shot. Cheers Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 A single barrel 20/28 isnt going to be much heavier than a single .410 and you will have a better kill ratio with there being alot more shot. Cheers Ben 7119 shotguns on guntrader and 0 single barrel 28's If you could find one they might not be much heavier but it's enought to make a big difference to a 7 year old. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan barrett Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 I was lent a baikal 410by a mate of mine for my at the time 9 year old son to try, I think it weighed nearly 6 lbs. It was far to heavy for him to hold up and swing. Did some looking around and found him a yildiz single barrel had the stock cut down and it only weighs 3 lbs, took him out on the clays a few times, easy incomers, by the end he was hitting 50% of them. On beaters day I stood with him in front of the main line of guns, he managed a few shots on most drives, hit a few, that where cleared up behind , and got one down. Just wish I could still get the same excitement as he did that day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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