oisin og Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 The Court of Arbitration for Sport has now ruled that the lifetime ban on Dwain Chambers representing his country in any Olympic Games cannot stand. The ban was imposed by the British Olympic Association in conformity with their own rules which have been in place for many years. The rule states that an athlete who has served a suspension having been found guilty of taking performance enhancing drugs cannot participate in the Olympic Games. Chambers tested positive in 2003 and was given a two year ban. The Court of Arbitration have determined that the ban is contrary to the rules of the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada)and The British Olympic Association (BOA) must amend their rules. The BOA is one of the few national associations which had the balls to impose this ban and now they are being forced to discontinue it. It is an appalling decision by the Court and, in my view, is a clear indication that the associations which control sport at an international level are simply not serious about combating performance enhancing drugs. All of the anti-drug paraphrenalia, the out of season testing and the fortune that is being spent on "catching" cheats is strictly for the optics. Chambers and other drug cheats are now back in the Olympics. Drugs in sport are here to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Am I the only one that would be intrigued to see how fast some of these dudes could actually go were they allowed to pump themselves full of monkeys glands etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggins. Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 The Court of Arbitration for Sport has now ruled that the lifetime ban on Dwain Chambers representing his country in any Olympic Games cannot stand. The ban was imposed by the British Olympic Association in conformity with their own rules which have been in place for many years. The rule states that an athlete who has served a suspension having been found guilty of taking performance enhancing drugs cannot participate in the Olympic Games. Chambers tested positive in 2003 and was given a two year ban. The Court of Arbitration have determined that the ban is contrary to the rules of the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada)and The British Olympic Association (BOA) must amend their rules. The BOA is one of the few national associations which had the balls to impose this ban and now they are being forced to discontinue it. It is an appalling decision by the Court and, in my view, is a clear indication that the associations which control sport at an international level are simply not serious about combating performance enhancing drugs. All of the anti-drug paraphrenalia, the out of season testing and the fortune that is being spent on "catching" cheats is strictly for the optics. Chambers and other drug cheats are now back in the Olympics. Drugs in sport are here to stay. So he`s allowed back, just don`t pick him for the squad. Sorted!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 What he did was wrong, bang to rights, did the crime and served his time. But we Brits get stuffed by following rules that others flaunt in all aspects of life. I can understand people being outraged by this but on balance personally, and by a whisker, I think he should be allowed to compete. If everyone else is at it then we are only depriving ourselves of our best chance. Honour is admirable but coming last but not cheating don't count for much these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggins. Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 What he did was wrong, bang to rights, did the crime and served his time. But we Brits get stuffed by following rules that others flaunt in all aspects of life. I can understand people being outraged by this but on balance personally, and by a whisker, I think he should be allowed to compete. If everyone else is at it then we are only depriving ourselves of our best chance. Honour is admirable but coming last but not cheating don't count for much these days. How has he served his time, he was banned for life!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 How has he served his time, he was banned for life!! They didn't specify who's life. Might have been the life of a hamster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Am I the only one that would be intrigued to see how fast some of these dudes could actually go were they allowed to pump themselves full of monkeys glands etc? no. i would love to see them run the 1600m in 11seconds :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 steve austin could do it :lol: :lol: imo he should not compete he is a cheat,,end of,,, thought he could get away with it the only thing he cheated was himself,,he should never be allowed to represent our country,,total disgrace :sly: what sort of deterent is this decision,,,exactly ,,anyone found to be taking these drugs should be banned for life,,,,and it should mean life,,,,not two years,,,the decision is an absolute joke to british sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I'm a bit stuck on this - On the one hand, life means life and rules is rules, but on the other hand, Team GB would certainly benefit from his return to the sport. As food for thought as well, two years is quite a large chunk of his athletic life - He has 2, maybe 3 at a push Olympics in him. Give him a chance and let's get a flamin' medal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Who cares about the medal haul when it's won by cheats? Why not go the whole hog and introduce an Eastern European / Chinese / Korean approach of institutionalised cheating, with State drug schemes? It's hypocritical to mock these countries for their shameless cheating, but not try and stamp out cheating at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 sorry dont agree with the ruling at all. Cheats need to be weeded out and then banned for life not a few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Am I the only one that would be intrigued to see how fast some of these dudes could actually go were they allowed to pump themselves full of monkeys glands etc? I have always been interested to know what a human could do in 'unrestricted' form, but I am guessing they might die trying like Tommy Simpson. I don't think athletes should be allowed back after proving positive, and from what I understood Chambers isn't necessarily a medal hope anyway is he? If not he would be wasting a slot for someone more deserving. The other case is David Millar, even though he is now allowed to compete is not jumping at the opportunity, he is only considering it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 why ban him for life.....other countries olympic committees only ban for a couple of years..... either the olympic games organisers state any drugs ever and you can never compete or we change our rules to allow ours to compete after a suitable punishment period the same as the other countries.... why are we so intent on crippling our chances??? and i too think it would be excellent if they were all allowed to take whatever performance enhancing drugs possible..................so we could have the olympics, the paralympics and the injectionolympics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 why ban him for life.....other countries olympic committees only ban for a couple of years..... I think you would need to ask someone who has worked their guts out, every moment of every day to achieve the best results they possibly can only to be beaten by someone who took the easy route. Just think about what it takes to be the best in the world at a sport for a minute, Paula Radcliffe used to run 20 miles a day 6 or 7 days a week to be the best in the game. A couple of years doesn't do it for me, they only have a limited life at the very top and once it's gone you can't get it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 As far as I am concerned it is quite straight forward! He got caught using ILLEGAL drugs to enhance his performance - That means he is plainly and simply a CHEAT and as such he should serve his full punishment and NEVER be allowed to represent the UK again! The same applies for ANYONE that feels the need to cheat to win in any sporting event, regardless of their colour, race, creed, religion or nationality - In my mind there should be NO EXCEPTIONS! Many of our children or "younger generation" look up to the Olympic Athletes and Professional Sportsmen as "Role Models" so I will put a very simple question to you - Would you want your children looking up to (And possible modelling themselves off) a KNOWN and PROVEN CHEAT and a DRUG TAKER? He was banned for life when he was caught taking drugs in order to improve his performance and win, he cheated while representing his country and (In many peoples eyes) he brought shame to his country, he got caught and was banned for life as a punishment! As such a lifetime ban should mean a lifetime ban - What seems to now be happening is that the Olympic Committe are now saying now is "If you get caught using drugs in order to cheat it's not too much of a problem, you will just get your wrist slapped and and told off but we will stand by you and overturn any punishments that you are given no matter what your country thinks or says about it! Anyone caught knowingly cheating deserves everything that they get! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 I think it's more important to go into the games with a clear conscience than to be counting medals, and it's not just performance enhancing drugs I object to. I see Chinese athletes who have been taken from their parents at 5 years old, and intensively coached full-time since then and it doesn't seem right to me at all. We can go in with out heads held high, knowing we are upholding the spirit of the games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danimal Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 every sporsman in the top leagues of every sport will be using some form of performance enhancing drugs. every top 100 sprint finalist at the olympics will be/ have also. all the federations know this what can they do? they could test all 10 runners at the olympics finals and disqualify them all? or they could pretend they dont know and pull up a couple of mid tier athletes such as chambers and make them be the "fall guy" would be best if they just said you all take whatever you want to take no restrictions imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 How has he served his time, he was banned for life!! Err, the lifetime ban was over-turned and he has already served a longer ban than other national bodies impose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 every sporsman in the top leagues of every sport will be using some form of performance enhancing drugs. every top 100 sprint finalist at the olympics will be/ have also. That's a fairly wild claim, can you back it up with any evidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 I know he was as high as a kite but that Olympic Final in 88 when Ben Johnson stuffed old big mouth Lewis in the 100 m final was the best bit of athletics ive ever seen on the telly...9.79 sec. Plus I won a sizeable punt off joe ladbroke that year which paid the majority of my new car! I dont care if he was on steroids... The look on the faces of Lewis and his Entourage was total disbelief and priceless.. I cant quite see how steroids can make humans run faster. Surely its like putting petrol in your car is it going to go any faster with Shell, Esso or BP.. all technically different products. I understand steroids build muscle mass but so do a lot of other natural organic compounds ?? Not saying its right but what about nicotine and alcohol..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobbyathome Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 i do feel sorry for dwaine as an athlete he has spent all of his youth training hard to be the best in the world and after his mistake he has tirelesssly trained and worked hard with schools to make sure other youngsters do not make the same mistake as he did but drug taking in sport should lead to a lifetime ban and that is what he should get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 They are all at it, it's just a question of who has the newest drug that hasn't made it onto the banned list, the best masking agent and the best chemical adviser. No restrictions, let them all go mad and go for it. Give a ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 The rights and wrongs could be argued until the steroid enhanced cows come home - the bottom line is that the powers that be have overturned his ban so he is as free as the next man to compete for a place. I know for a fact that he puts a shed load of time (his own time not forgetting that UK athletes are paid a relative pittance compared to dip **** footballers who do very little for grass root sports) in providing sporting education to kids - whether that is out of guilt as a shamed 'roid user or a genuine desire to enhance his sport I don't know and it doesn't really matter. They are all at it (no evidence of that), I'm looking forward to Richard Branson getting under 9 seconds for the 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 As if Richard Branson could give a ****. Look at the before and afters on the likes of Dwain, Fatima and Flo Jo. You've got women with beards and square jaws looking like fellas and blokes with muscles on muscles on muscles. And they are all just on water, eggs, chicken and pasta and heavy training Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 what can i say to some of these replies?? the problem we have now is simple,,the olympics have always been amateur and what has happened is now there is too much money involved in all sports except ours (shooting).linford christie would not turn up to an event unless he received £60,000 in appearence money if he didn,t get it he would not attend,and it wasn,t just him because all the top stars where at it,,medals my A**E,,amateur does not mean amateur anymore,,a gentleman whom boxed at my gym was banned from amateur boxing because he received £1500 for boxing for a white collar show,,so what happened,, he had to turn pro ,, also look back in history how many others have been banned for accepting a cash prize,,the olympics was always the best of the amateurs but it isnt anymore because to many just care about the money NOT the medals and it is only the top one,s who can demand these daft fee,s,,that is why certain people have and will always take these drugs to try and get to the top,,MONEY,,MONEY,,MONEY ,,pure greed nothing else just pure greed :no: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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