Towngun Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 The shotgun is the idea sporting firearm mainly because its lethality dissipates rapidly beyond 50 yards or does it? Compared with a class 1 firearm – lethal up a mile plus. On the Clay pigeon circuit shooting requires at least a 300-yard fall out zone because the shot from the cartridge can travel 300 yards. It is really quite astonishing how far 300 yards is especially if you use a rangefinder to assess distance. Now the question I would ask is how many of us shoot pigeon on fields where public roads, houses or footpaths fall well within this 300 yard perimeter. The UK is a congested little place and when you apply this rule to your shooting I would suggest that many will reclassify there permissions as unsafe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Nearest foot path or road to mine are about half a mile away at least, so no mine is fine ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobgoblin Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 mine has a bridle way adjasunt&river which is fished but then the whole place is "pick ya own"!! even been in the hide when a guy in a white shirt,waving a white carrier bag walked behind me!!just makes me EXTRA watchfull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 OP, stick to shooting at clay grounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philm Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 OP, stick to shooting at clay grounds. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 we shoot plenty fields were houses roads footpaths are within 300yards, but if your carefull were you set up and which direction you decoy and shoot, carry on is all i,m gonna say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Safe shooting requires more distance than you think! Err no it doesn't been 300 yrds for years , and you only need to be 50 ft from the center of the highway , you can shoot on a public footpath , do i need to go on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 +1 +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshLamb Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 OP, stick to shooting at clay grounds. What he said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) DB and myself often walk the field and split and shoot at each other ( not really direct ) to see if the shot hits the far edge. We do this so that we can confirm to the farmer or any complainant that we are safe. In the passed we have been showered with falling shot from other shooters. Edited July 25, 2012 by pigeon controller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpoonlouis Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Dropping shot used to be something that entailed an apology and a handshake. To shoot on, shoot over or drop shot on to property you don't have permission to do so is armed trespass which is a criminal offence. I would suggest you print out a Google earth map of your permission together with a scale and keep it with you when you shoot. Alternatively print out the section of the Ordanance Survey. Unfortunately the mere compaint of dropping shot on somebody is almost impossible to defend against if they are prepared to swear in court you did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbox Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 I regularly get shot dropping on my property from whoever the lucky get is who has permission on the field behind my house... Doesn't bother me... Other than the fact he's having a more fun than me! :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 thats the thing we as shooters know that the spent shot and thats what it is, is harmless i use the ruler on google earth and measure out the distance from shooting positions to houses farm buildings etc, but it can all change on the day with the flightline and wind coming from different postions the best thing to do is set your decoys rotary in such a way that most of the birds will be shot at in an area before or after or both with houses in the background Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpoonlouis Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 May be harmless but it is a crimianl offence and anyone who is in the LACS Antis etc will know how to use it to screw you over. Only time I was challenged I simply flashed the map and the CPSA guidlines and quotes Netons Laws of motion and the guy backed off simply because he was out to cause trouble and thought I wouldn't have an answer. Facts trump opionions in law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 May be harmless but it is a crimianl offence and anyone who is in the LACS Antis etc will know how to use it to screw you over. Only time I was challenged I simply flashed the map and the CPSA guidlines and quotes Netons Laws of motion and the guy backed off simply because he was out to cause trouble and thought I wouldn't have an answer. Facts trump opionions in law. Your challenger must have been impressed by you quoting 'Neton's Laws of Motion' to back off like that. Had he been an expert in Newton you may have had a different proposition to deal with. In one field I had footpaths on either side of me last weekend, neither within 150m of my hide position and luckily the only person I saw travelling along either in four hours was a farmer friend on whose fields I had shot 60 the previous week. He did his best to attract my attention to have a chat but I was having none of it and kept my head down and continued shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Safe shooting requires more distance than you think! only need to be 50 ft from the center of the highway , you can shoot backing onto a road,you don't need to be 50 ft away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 OP, stick to shooting at clay grounds. I know a clay ground smaller than 300yds across, with people shooting towards the middle. No shot bigger than 6 allowed, but of course most people will shoot 7.5 or smaller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpoonlouis Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 OK I can't touch type in the dark! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpoonlouis Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 you can shoot backing onto a road,you don't need to be 50 ft away. No you can't. 50 feet from the centre line from roads and all byways etc. You can shoot over a road provided you fire from greater than 50 feet from the centre line and don't cause distrees, alarm etc but you can't discharge a firearm within 50 yards of the centreline no matter which way you are facing. If you do so anyone can claim that you have cause an offence to be committed because they have been "alarmed" Footpath is diffent, you can stand on it an shoot with proviso Suggest you read this because this is what you will be up against. League Guide It is a handy thing to carry with you anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Suggest you read this because this is what you will be up against. League Guide It is a handy thing to carry with you anyway. That piece of **** is riddled with inaccuracies. You can shoot within 50ft of the centre of a road, as long as you don't cause alarm or inconvenience to people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hushpower Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Very interesting read the guide was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Very interesting read the guide was Just bear in mind who it is written by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpoonlouis Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 Exactly, this is the document that will be read by people most likely to cause you grief so " Know your enemy" Yes you can fire your gun within 50 feet of the centre line of a road. If you happen to find yourself in the presence of somebody who wants to cause you trouble pull the trigger. They only have to state that you caused them alarm, a situation which you will find impossible to disprove and they will have no problem proving you fired the shot. Therefore you caused and offence to take place, you will be guilty of a criminal offence involving a firearm and bye bye your ticket. Think about it, if you fire your gun 51 feet from a carriageway you can be the cause of as much alarm as you like but at least you won't be bashed over the head with this very simple legal trap. Your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) No you can't. 50 feet from the centre line from roads and all byways etc. You can shoot over a road provided you fire from greater than 50 feet from the centre line and don't cause distrees, alarm etc but you can't discharge a firearm within 50 yards of the centreline no matter which way you are facing. If you do so anyone can claim that you have cause an offence to be committed because they have been "alarmed" Footpath is diffent, you can stand on it an shoot with proviso Suggest you read this because this is what you will be up against. League Guide It is a handy thing to carry with you anyway. soz m8 ur wrong consult BASC.If you think I give 2F's about them,their comment,you should not take this as law,enough said. Edited July 26, 2012 by retromlc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 you can shoot backing onto a road,you don't need to be 50 ft away. You do if you get a complaint but that's all you have to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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