colin lad Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 went out last night with the hmr had a new box of hornaday vmax with the blue tips went to take a shot and only heard a click so waited a while then pulled bolt back to take bullet out, and shone head tourch up barrel (it was night) and there was a bullet head lodged on chamber glad didn't chamber another round and try to fire it as that could of been bad news, colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hafod Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 ohh ,, what no powder in the case , that could have been naughty i,d take em back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 went out last night with the hmr had a new box of hornaday vmax with the blue tips went to take a shot and only heard a click so waited a while then pulled bolt back to take bullet out, and shone head tourch up barrel (it was night) and there was a bullet head lodged on chamber glad didn't chamber another round and try to fire it as that could of been bad news, colin You may have found that you would not have been able to chamber the next round if there were a bullet jammed in the rifling. Depends how far it had travelled down the barrel. As an aside; the 'new' box of Hornady blue tips would not have been that 'new', not that it maks a great deal of difference. They were made a few years back and have only been produced once. The blue tip bullets are identical to the red tip bullets apart from the tip colour. They were mistaklenly loaded into a batch of .17 HMR ammo as the blue tips were supposed to only be loaded in to .17 Mach 2 ammo to make them quickly identifyable. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 for a "mistake" there sure were a lot produced, the other rumour which seems more likely was that they had a surplus of blue tips when HM2 didn't really take off that they just loaded them into HMR bullets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 for a "mistake" there sure were a lot produced, the other rumour which seems more likely was that they had a surplus of blue tips when HM2 didn't really take off that they just loaded them into HMR bullets That's quite possible. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 for a "mistake" there sure were a lot produced, the other rumour which seems more likely was that they had a surplus of blue tips when HM2 didn't really take off that they just loaded them into HMR bullets This seems to be the general opinion of most RFD's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Have a look at this link: http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/212228-zeroing-with-the-hmr-part-2/ Remember: "CCI, Federal, Winchester, Remington and Hornady all loaded here at CCI in Lewiston, Idaho with a V-max bullet are identical, with the exception of tip color. Manufactured on the same equip, to the same ballistic specs, using the same components other than color of the tip of the bullets. Obviously the shellcase 'head stamp' and packaging would be different on the various products". I would suggest you take all of the rounds in the batch you purchased back to RFD you got them from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 I don't think that Winchester are loaded there. They are the only brand not loaded in the factory. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted October 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 they are destined to go back to rfd not only did i have that problem as that was about the 30th bullet into a batch of 100 i brought but prior to that i had 2 that when fired you got a click as it hit the case then the bang about 1 second later was a bit unsure after them click bangs but with this head coming off they are going back colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 interestingly Colin I bought some from a dealer who has moved up your way a while back, used most of them a year or two ago and as it was about 10 left from the batch they got forgotten. Went to use them and had the same issue so I wonder if they are particularly old, one train of thought was if there are faint cracks that the powder may get damp not nice those delayed shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 You hear and read so much about squibs now it's frightening. No wonder the hmr secondhand market seems to be much larger, with cheaper guns, than ever before! If the manufacturers aren't careful they'll make the round obsolete soon given the declining public confidence! 17 hornet instead? Better performance and reload your own for better piece of mind?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted October 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 interestingly Colin I bought some from a dealer who has moved up your way a while back, used most of them a year or two ago and as it was about 10 left from the batch they got forgotten. Went to use them and had the same issue so I wonder if they are particularly old, one train of thought was if there are faint cracks that the powder may get damp not nice those delayed shots. yeah they are a worry, but the .222 has arrived now and like you said i could quite easily get drawn down the stalking and foxing road lol colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hafod Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 go with the deuce colin , i roll my own , never had an issue with my own ammo ,my weirauch loves 55 grain pills 1/2 inch groups at a 100 yards , you,ll love it , trust me , lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 i just got a .222 I use a WMR and .17M2/HMR on short range foxes and needed some more range/power christened it last night with two foxes inside 100yds. quieter than the WMR/HMR but devastating I reckon I have reloads down to 20p each Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 i just got a .222 I use a WMR and .17M2/HMR on short range foxes and needed some more range/power christened it last night with two foxes inside 100yds. quieter than the WMR/HMR but devastating I reckon I have reloads down to 20p each What mod are you using, I'm thinking of having mine screw cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacew Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I've had this happen once or twice myself I believe it down to ageing ammo although bought new from your local RFD..I now use cci Gamepoint 20 gr they are cheaper than hornady and buff the wind better..The only draw back is that I need to pull through with the bore snake approx ever 10 rounds or so, which lets face is not hard..defo a dirty round..like I say, it's a better round IMO.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I just sit back and keep on with the wmr, fashion is fickle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cottonseed Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 You hear and read so much about squibs now it's frightening. No wonder the hmr secondhand market seems to be much larger, with cheaper guns, than ever before! If the manufacturers aren't careful they'll make the round obsolete soon given the declining public confidence! 17 hornet instead? Better performance and reload your own for better piece of mind?! FYI--I emailed Hornady in July to ask about all this. They told me that after ten years iin production they had only just cauight up with the worldwide demand for .17HMR ammunition. I asked about squib rounds and they said it had been a struggle, but they had now solved all the problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 You hear and read so much about squibs now it's frightening. No wonder the hmr secondhand market seems to be much larger, with cheaper guns, than ever before! If the manufacturers aren't careful they'll make the round obsolete soon given the declining public confidence! 17 hornet instead? Better performance and reload your own for better piece of mind?! Good point . I can see a lot of shooters going over to the new hornet tbh for the reasons you stated. I'm waiting until the right triple comes along and its good bye to the HMR i'm afraid ATB, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 (edited) You hear and read so much about squibs now it's frightening. No wonder the hmr secondhand market seems to be much larger, with cheaper guns, than ever before! If the manufacturers aren't careful they'll make the round obsolete soon given the declining public confidence! 17 hornet instead? Better performance and reload your own for better piece of mind?! Good point . I can see a lot of shooters going over to the new hornet tbh for the reasons you stated. I'm waiting until the right triple comes along and its good bye to the HMR i'm afraid ATB, Pat OK, lets play devils advocate for a moment...... Well I don't, the HMR and .17 Hornet are very different animals, if many change to a Hornet then their gun choice was flawed to start with or their shooting requirements have changed. :hmm: Peace of mind hey, tell me ANY incident of any HMR blowing up or anyone getting injured. The HMR ammo has suffered all sorts of problems but it remains and excellent calibre when used in it's environment! :good: Edit. Let me just add for clarity, that any issue with a rifle and/or ammo is not to be taken lightly and I am not trying to write off the well know HMR issues! Edited October 6, 2012 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 I've written before about the ideal firing pin strikes on rimfire cartridges, and Eley include a section in their shooters diary about it. The strike on my CZ was nowhere near what Eley recommend, couple that with a possibly thicker WMR type case then misfires are going to happen sometimes. Perhaps we should be looking more closely at the rifles instead of the ammunition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 Indeed dekers if you change to a hornet you can't have many rabbits about as reloading a rabbit gun that sees much use would be a complete ball ache. I've had the odd iffy round in Hmr but nothing to put me off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tis1979 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 went out last night with the hmr had a new box of hornaday vmax with the blue tips went to take a shot and only heard a click so waited a while then pulled bolt back to take bullet out, and shone head tourch up barrel (it was night) and there was a bullet head lodged on chamber glad didn't chamber another round and try to fire it as that could of been bad news, colin Hi Collin out of interest why do you use the blue tips rather than the reds? Cheers Tristram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Hi Collin out of interest why do you use the blue tips rather than the reds? Cheers Tristram No doubt he will respond... I use them because I find absolutely no difference in performance between Red/Blue and they are cheaper (if you can find them)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tis1979 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 No doubt he will respond... I use them because I find absolutely no difference in performance between Red/Blue and they are cheaper (if you can find them)! Cheers for the reply mate, I've always used red and was just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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