oscarsdad Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/9611760/Badger-protesters-target-country-sports-like-hunting-and-shooting.html So now they are targeting perfectly legal activities which bring millions to the rural economy - probably not realising or ignoring all of the conservation which happens as a result of pheasant shooting. I hope they do not try and disrupt the shoot I beat on or anybody else's as it would just turn an enjoyable day out with the dogs to an unpleasant stressful day full of conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Hopefully if they stop a shoot going ahead they will be presented with a bill for the costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 so is Harnser an alias of Bryan May Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted October 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 I just hope all the shooters and beaters keep their tempers in check. As much as we would like to tell them what we think of them, we cannot - especially as they are likely to claim they were threatened with a "double barrelled" shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 The simple thing is it is intimidation and yes tempers will fly but with a bit of planning I'm sure you could have the antis running round in circles all day. I'd put two sets of beaters out and play the game that way with guns being on drives furthest from footpaths, The slightly worrying thing for people down there is it looks like they have a certain idea how to stop things by targeting enough landowners, really the cull needs to be got on with and fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 You can only use a footpath to pass and re-pass on normal business not for anything else - they cannot legally use the footpath to disrupt a shoot or any other activity. Part V Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 (CJPOA) s 61-80 conferred powers on the police and created offences in connection with various forms of trespass, including trespass by hunt / shoot saboteurs. Of course, if they come onto the land, Section 61 CJPOA (Stones: 8-24900) enables a police officer to direct trespassers on land (who are there with the common purpose of residing there for any period) to leave the land where the occupier has taken steps to ask them to do so, and either: they have damaged the land; or they have used threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour to the occupier, the occupier's family, employees or agents; or between them they have 6 or more vehicles on the land. Failure to obey a direction to leave or returning to the land as a trespasser within 3 months is an offence. Section 62 provides a power for the police to seize vehicles of persons failing to comply with a direction under s6 1. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 I had an element of sympathy with the Badger thing as am not convinced a cull is the answer...clearly it is Brian May et al just use it for general anti-shooting PR..oh well c'est la vie. Although I do think it dilutes the effectiveness of the Badger campaign which has been effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayman Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 You can only use a footpath to pass and re-pass on normal business not for anything else - they cannot legally use the footpath to disrupt a shoot or any other activity. Part V Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 (CJPOA) s 61-80 conferred powers on the police and created offences in connection with various forms of trespass, including trespass by hunt / shoot saboteurs. Of course, if they come onto the land, Section 61 CJPOA (Stones: 8-24900) enables a police officer to direct trespassers on land (who are there with the common purpose of residing there for any period) to leave the land where the occupier has taken steps to ask them to do so, and either: they have damaged the land; or they have used threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour to the occupier, the occupier's family, employees or agents; or between them they have 6 or more vehicles on the land. Failure to obey a direction to leave or returning to the land as a trespasser within 3 months is an offence. Section 62 provides a power for the police to seize vehicles of persons failing to comply with a direction under s6 1. David That's all well and good but from the BASC web site: If a member of public is using a public right of way that crosses or is in the vicinity of your shoot or drive, the member of public has the right to pass and re-pass along the right of way without hindrance. Therefore any shooting should be refrained from until they are at a distance where your activity should not cause any concern. This is particularly important if a bridleway is in use as a horse rider could be endangered by a startled horse. If a member of public approaches a path/bridleway a method for ceasing to shoot should be in place. One example of a proven method is: A member of the shoot should be positioned at either end of the route (where appropriate) and shooting area to keep a watch for users of the right of way. When a person is seen approaching on the right of way the following action should then be taken. The ‘watcher’ should sound a horn, whistle etc to stop the drive, this person should request that the rider or person(s) on foot wait. All guns should then unload, and have their guns broken in the safest position pointing to the ground, then the person is able to continue to use the right of way. It wouldn't take many anti's to walk slowly along all of the footpaths and then back again and still comply with the BASC guidance. I'm not saying they are right - it is just what it is. Obvioulsy the best approach is to put the footpath between the beaters and the guns - the pheasants will stay higher to avoid the anti's and make for a better high bird day! - I didn't really say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 so is Harnser an alias of Bryan May I told you they were coming . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dempy Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Have a look at the stop the cull page on facebook, if you read a lot of the comments it is quite scary how some of their minds work. https://www.facebook.com/stop.the.cull?fref=ts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 I told you they were coming . Harnser . They have always been coming, but IMO your emotive post entitled "sport or slaughter", was as good as sending an invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 They are targetting one estate Forthampton because apparantly the keeper is partaking in the Badger cull....at this point is does not appear to be a wider attack on shoots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 They have always been coming, but IMO your emotive post entitled "sport or slaughter", was as good as sending an invite. Perhaps cranfield you should censor all threads before they are posted and then we can all hide our heads in the sand and hope they will just pass us by . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 They are targetting one estate Forthampton because apparantly the keeper is partaking in the Badger cull....at this point is does not appear to be a wider attack on shoots. It's not the keeper it's the estate is in the cull area, they need 70percent of the area to undertake the cull so the more they can intimidate not to take part the more chance they have of stopping it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 brian may is a sad man.he must get a life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr williamson Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Perhaps cranfield you should censor all threads before they are posted and then we can all hide our heads in the sand and hope they will just pass us by . Harnser . sorry mate but i agree with cranfeild here, why would you word it like you did (slaughter) un sporting would have done. How somthing is worded can change the whole concept of what It is your saying! I dont know if your an anti or a shooter but we are all shooters here and decent people, we do alot for the country side and its inhabitants, we give alot more to it than we take!! Im sorry if i offend you but its true, with out us alot of english species would have become completely absent and in some cases extinct! Not to mention the amount of millions put into the economy by us!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 I`m with Harnser on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 One thing that annoys me is that these antis claim that releasing non native pheasants causes harm to wildlife, Animal Aid included. Animal Aid are the same people who say that grey squirrels do no harm to reds, mink do no harm to water voles, deer are not overpopulated and are not destroying woodland, etc. Only an idiot would say that pheasants harm wildlife but grey squirrels and mink don't. Ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 LACS etc have been targeting game shoots for decades,so personally I'm not too concerned,and it's usually at this time of year they make a concerted effort to bring this campaign to the publics attention,after all,there wouldn't be much point in April.It's up to those people concerned to ensure that all practises are conducted as they should be. While we would be fools to be complacent, the recent high profile campaigns by Animal Aid and those regarding the badger cull, they seem to have gathered a bit of momentum and must be feeling quite influential and pleased with themselves.Even a high profile failure on their part bolsters confidence as it gets the media attention they crave,and keeps their agenda in the limelight,so of course the shooting season is high on their list of priorities. We have neither anything to hide,nor be ashamed of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav05 Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 I see more dead badgers on the road a year than I could shoot in a year so why do they pick on the shooting community? Yet they all drive cars and don't have a go at motorists for every animal killed yet when its to prevent tb and also control numbers why pick on us. I think its so wrong and these people dont have a clue about the real world or tradition and heritage. I hope they don't mess up to many shoots for people on here.and if they do keep calm and show them the strengt of the shooting community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Want to get active? here are the names and address's of MP's who have signed for the discussion of EDM 311 - do a google search on the motion - then write a letter to these individuals, help get our voice heard. EDM 311 Shooting of Game birds for sport. Mike Weatherley MP House of Commons London SW1A 0AA Annette Brooke MP 14 York Road Broadstone BH18 8ET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 For info, Kate Swann is stepping down shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 One thing that annoys me is that these antis claim that releasing non native pheasants causes harm to wildlife, Animal Aid included. Animal Aid are the same people who say that grey squirrels do no harm to reds, mink do no harm to water voles, deer are not overpopulated and are not destroying woodland, etc. Only an idiot would say that pheasants harm wildlife but grey squirrels and mink don't. Ridiculous. I don't think any of this is about animal welfare, its politics. Antis hate shooting because they hate the type of person they imagine all shooters to be. If they genuinely cared about wildlife there would be some logic and some scientific foundation to their campaigns, as it is they seem to be driven by resentment and spite. The levels of ignorance of animal behaviour among antis is often staggering. Many seem never to have read so much as a Reader's Digest coffee table book of the countryside. I really do worry that society seems to be getting more infantile with every day that passes and it is those children who throw the loudest tantrums who will receive the political patronage. There is something very sick in the heart of Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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