Gordon R Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Why are Kreighoff or Perazzi so expensive? Both are very good guns, but are they ten times better than a Miroku MK38. I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 the value is in ownership,as the OP implies,not a stab,but he has some money and wants something special.Most of us buy guns because they look good ,feel nice in the hand,and I am more likely to discuss the merits of a gun to the owner if it's a Perazzi/K80 /Beretta SO models or Blaser than i am to a baikal to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 I`m trying to justify buying a Perazzi myself at the moment.No other reason than I want to try a one ! Are they good value?Probably not,but if you want one you just have to get on with it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 I reckon there are plenty good makes out there. As Gordon says many others are well made. Personally im a beretta man. That said a 682 gold e would be more than suffice for me. Owning i ten grand shotgun may not make me shoot any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) Perazzi have Digweed :good: :good: :good: Kreighoff :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: Ben hustwaite multiple world FITASC/SPORTING champion and record holder, he has given George a good run for his money many times saw it happen at Lakenheath as a matter of fact....... Edited October 25, 2012 by tigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 George Digweed is in a class of his own - best clay shooter ever. I rest my case. I am more likely to discuss the merits of a gun to the owner if it's a Perazzi/K80 /Beretta SO models or Blaser than i am to a baikal to be honest No-one could really argue with that statement - it is on the money. :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Potter Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) George Digweed is in a class of his own - best clay shooter ever. I rest my case. No-one could really argue with that statement - it is on the money. :good: Sorry Gordon but I'd argue with that statement. Would be more impressed with your "statement of fact" if you had said best FITASC Sporting clay shooter ever. There I think the record speaks for it's self but how can you compare GD to a trap or skeet shooter. He tried to get into an Olympic discipline, was either Olympic Trap or Double Trap I'm not sure which and I've no doubt he was very very very good but he stopped trying because one assumes he didn't think he could guarantee a gold medal and a silver or bronze just doesn't cut it! DO NOT think I am trying to belittle GD achievement, I'm not, but this business of proclaiming someone "the best ever" is truly a nonsense without a bucket load of caveats. If you are looking at major championships I think Cheryl Hall has won more than George Digweed, does that make her a better shot or the best ever? Is GD a better clay shooter than Kim Rhodes. is he better than Percy Stanbury or some of the other great names of the 30's, 40's, 50's and 60's whose names elude me. There is a school of thought that there are or have been better FITASC Sporting shots than GD but they just couldn't afford to shoot around the globe to pursue World & European medals. (Don't believe it myself but you never know!) As I said I just don't believe in all this best ever business as with most everything in life you are only as good as your last result, someday sooner or later someone will come along (probably an American) and start winning titles and even in the FITASC world George's record will tumble. Will we think less of him, I think not but his reign will be over. Mr Potter (Un-officially and only in my opinion, one of the most average clay pigeon shooter in the history of the sport!) Edited October 25, 2012 by Mr Potter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Mr Potter - we will agree to disagree, but well put. :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b16jus Posted October 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 I agree if you give a good shooter a custom gun it doesnt matter what make but it will help increase the profile of your gun company. Thats what anoys me about the pirazzi is that its a lot of money and as a tart i do like looks but they are very plain. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 I agree if you give a good shooter a custom gun it doesnt matter what make but it will help increase the profile of your gun company. Thats what anoys me about the pirazzi is that its a lot of money and as a tart i do like looks but they are very plain. J I imagine the different top guns are much like expensive whiskies, an experienced taster can appreciate the difference, but amateurs like myself don't benefit from better than a Glenmorangie ( or a Beretta ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Sorry Gordon but I'd argue with that statement. Would be more impressed with your "statement of fact" if you had said best FITASC Sporting clay shooter ever. There I think the record speaks for it's self but how can you compare GD to a trap or skeet shooter. He tried to get into an Olympic discipline, was either Olympic Trap or Double Trap I'm not sure which and I've no doubt he was very very very good but he stopped trying because one assumes he didn't think he could guarantee a gold medal and a silver or bronze just doesn't cut it! DO NOT think I am trying to belittle GD achievement, I'm not, but this business of proclaiming someone "the best ever" is truly a nonsense without a bucket load of caveats. If you are looking at major championships I think Cheryl Hall has won more than George Digweed, does that make her a better shot or the best ever? Is GD a better clay shooter than Kim Rhodes. is he better than Percy Stanbury or some of the other great names of the 30's, 40's, 50's and 60's whose names elude me. There is a school of thought that there are or have been better FITASC Sporting shots than GD but they just couldn't afford to shoot around the globe to pursue World & European medals. (Don't believe it myself but you never know!) As I said I just don't believe in all this best ever business as with most everything in life you are only as good as your last result, someday sooner or later someone will come along (probably an American) and start winning titles and even in the FITASC world George's record will tumble. Will we think less of him, I think not but his reign will be over. Mr Potter (Un-officially and only in my opinion, one of the most average clay pigeon shooter in the history of the sport!) Well said that man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 I imagine the different top guns are much like expensive whiskies, an experienced taster can appreciate the difference, but amateurs like myself don't benefit from better than a Glenmorangie ( or a Beretta ). A very good analogy. As for perazzi`s being plain, there are some stunning examples out there and not all from the top ranges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caisterboy Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Sorry Gordon but I'd argue with that statement. Would be more impressed with your "statement of fact" if you had said best FITASC Sporting clay shooter ever. There I think the record speaks for it's self but how can you compare GD to a trap or skeet shooter. He tried to get into an Olympic discipline, was either Olympic Trap or Double Trap I'm not sure which and I've no doubt he was very very very good but he stopped trying because one assumes he didn't think he could guarantee a gold medal and a silver or bronze just doesn't cut it! DO NOT think I am trying to belittle GD achievement, I'm not, but this business of proclaiming someone "the best ever" is truly a nonsense without a bucket load of caveats. If you are looking at major championships I think Cheryl Hall has won more than George Digweed, does that make her a better shot or the best ever? Is GD a better clay shooter than Kim Rhodes. is he better than Percy Stanbury or some of the other great names of the 30's, 40's, 50's and 60's whose names elude me. There is a school of thought that there are or have been better FITASC Sporting shots than GD but they just couldn't afford to shoot around the globe to pursue World & European medals. (Don't believe it myself but you never know!) As I said I just don't believe in all this best ever business as with most everything in life you are only as good as your last result, someday sooner or later someone will come along (probably an American) and start winning titles and even in the FITASC world George's record will tumble. Will we think less of him, I think not but his reign will be over. Mr Potter (Un-officially and only in my opinion, one of the most average clay pigeon shooter in the history of the sport!) Well as its Friday and a bad day at work i thought i'd enter the fray so to speak . is GD the greatest? - well imo he is in his chosen discipline ranges of his generation - is he better than Cheryl - well yes because you only have to put them on a "scores in majors" comparison and GD will have beat Cheryl in most competitions - high gun is high gun after all and thats not to denegrate her performances as she is the star performer of Ladies shooting. It is always impossible to compare any sportsman across generations as many things change, things that come immediately to mind are; physical conditioning in sports that demand it. Rugby springs to mind immediately as the size and fitness of the guys today bears no relation to the amateurs of 20 or more years ago - does that make greats like Gareth Davies / JPR Williams / Gerald Davies etc any less of a player than say Richie MacCaw ? no, but they cannot be compared to the leviathans of modern Rugby in the physical sense, they just wouldn't be able to compete without modern training methods. Similarly equipment changes records & performance whether it be cars, bikes, clothing etc all of these things have changed personal performances. Would Usain Bolt be running under 10 secs on Cinder tracks - no!! Was and is Ali "the Greatest" possibly but he was well beaten on a number of occassions but what made him great was peoples perceptions and his overall achievements. Similarly, this is all you an do when comparing GD with people such as AJ Smith etc All records get broken in the end and this is a result of all of these things (and human evolution??) Generally any major records get broken and i'm sure somebody, someday will emulate and beat GD's feats, i just dont think it will be in my lifetime. Will they be able to prove they are greater than George - nope 'cos he will be past his best and not able to compete on equal terms, but sometime in the future someone on here when we are all long gobne will be saying that Joe Bloggs is the greatest sporting shot ever bar none !!!!! This why we love sport, it will continue to keeps Forums, Pub banter and armchair enthusiasts like ourselves going for evermore . Oh and to add my tupenneth on the actual question of this post - buy what you like as no gun i've had has improved my scores of it's own fruition - as a £1k gun or a £10k gun makes no difference if an idiot is pulling the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 If someone scores low using a Biakal then his gun is at fault,if he shoots a low score with a parazzi then he is a fool with too much disposable income!I'm the latter by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 I'd rather miss with a nice gun:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caisterboy Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 I'd rather miss with a nice gun:-) Ooh now we're back onto the "are Krieghoff's nice or not debate" :-) if you listen hard enough you can hear the Perazzi brigade sounding the charge and tapping away at a keyboard as I write this :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P~MX Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 here Ed you don't miss too much and you don't shoot a nice gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Shaw Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Its all about missing with style !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caisterboy Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 And there they are :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b16jus Posted October 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 So so so true money doesnt buy happiness but id rather be sad in a ferrari with a holland and holland lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b16jus Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Ok the wildcard has put a spanner in the works, had a look at a dt11 today and im very impressed, feels a little heavier than my ultra xs but as soon as its up feels balanced. Nice wood etc hhhmmm ok now i have even more decisions to make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Well I was at bywell today and fell in love with this http://www.bywellshootingground.co.uk/gunroom/shotguns/krieghoff_k80_supersport_s_h_060240 can someone tell me what the little button in front of the trigger is please? and also this http://www.bywellshootingground.co.uk/gunroom/shotguns/beretta_so10_20_gauge_game_s_h_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Barrel selector matey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted October 27, 2012 Report Share Posted October 27, 2012 Cheers, I knew it would be a simple answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Ok the wildcard has put a spanner in the works, had a look at a dt11 today and im very impressed, feels a little heavier than my ultra xs but as soon as its up feels balanced. Nice wood etc hhhmmm ok now i have even more decisions to make Theres some really nice woodon some of the DT11's and do feel nice to handle, was so tempting for me but I did resist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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