Bleeh Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Pretty interesting stuff. http://www.petersenshunting.com/2013/01/02/introducing-the-new-17-winchester-super-magnum/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Seems like halfway between the hmr and 17 hornet. If it generates those ballistics at hmr prices, then it will be a winner. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) Looks great !! Heavier, faster than .17 hmr can't wait to see some more results. I wounder how ammo price will compare to hmr ? Edited January 3, 2013 by rimmie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 If ammo price is similar to HMR then there will be a lot of .17's for sale. If its significantly more expensive then I'll stick to my .22CF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Fair bit bigger than .17 hmr .22 mag, nearly hornet size !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 I have read about this a bit back when it first was reported about. and according to the statment from Winchester the round is manufactured in a much more efficiently way than the hmr and should be on part price wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 looking like what the HMR should have been, if they knock it out at a good price I still doubt it will displace the HMR for some time though as it will require new guns with new actions or modification of existing small centre fire guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Realistically I'm not sure why the hmr needs improving, its a cracking bunny and small vermin gun. The only downside is noise and odds are this would be noisier, more powder usually does that. Once you go faster and heavier bullet you might as well go centerfire and have something proper for foxes etc and leave the bunny shooting to a bunny gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Realistically I'm not sure why the hmr needs improving, its a cracking bunny and small vermin gun. The only downside is noise and odds are this would be noisier, more powder usually does that. Once you go faster and heavier bullet you might as well go centerfire and have something proper for foxes etc and leave the bunny shooting to a bunny gun. yet the real trick with rimfires has always been production costs of factory ammo being cheaper, if this is achieved then its got a bright future. cheapest factory c/f is what? 45p a pop? there is a gap here between the HMR and the small c/f if the user does not wish to reload for any reason. Produce this stuff at equal cost to HMR fodder ................................ ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 larger case, more powder and a heavier bullet all sounds like the components will be more then the HMR to produce so realistically its unlikely especially with the volume of HMR ammo that is produced. To start another round and try and compete would be seriously hard work and not the best business plan I've ever heard of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 I'd say that if it does price match the HMR it's going to be a real hit. More fox capability and the 20gr bullet should mean that it doesn't blow up any worse than the HMR does with it's 17. If it wasn't for the fact that I like to load my own I'd be on that like a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 looking like what the HMR should have been, The HMR is what it should have been, it's just not what you want it to be. The new calibre looks useful, it would be great if they could make it work in semi-autos. My biggest hope is that it will drive the price of HMR ammo down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 we still get HMR ammo for £10 a box so not bad price wise, this is another one we don't have any quarry for in the UK. Its not a bunny gun and its not a fox gun just like the 17 hornet .22 hornet etc when you go centerfire you might as well go for a proper one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 yet the real trick with rimfires has always been production costs of factory ammo being cheaper, if this is achieved then its got a bright future. If they can get it near the HMR's price, & CZ bring a rifle on the market, I think it'll catch on. Speed sells........same as what happened with the HMR v the 22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmy1100 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 we still get HMR ammo for £10 a box so not bad price wise, this is another one we don't have any quarry for in the UK. Its not a bunny gun and its not a fox gun just like the 17 hornet .22 hornet etc when you go centerfire you might as well go for a proper one £10 a box i paid 29.50 for 100 rounds from my local gunshop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 I have been looking at this new caliber with great interest. I am/was considering purchasing a .17REM, but after reading the reviews etc, I think the .17 Winchester would suit me fine. If I did eventually purchase one, I would get rid of my .17HMR. The .17WIN would be used for long range Corvid control and maybe the odd fox or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 He says.."The guns and ammo should be available by early summer (2013)". This would be in the US of A i guess.How long before it reaches our shores i wonder? Looks a handy round though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 I have been looking at this new caliber with great interest. I am/was considering purchasing a .17REM, but after reading the reviews etc, I think the .17 Winchester would suit me fine. If I did eventually purchase one, I would get rid of my .17HMR. The .17WIN would be used for long range Corvid control and maybe the odd fox or two. I think it's worth waiting to see what it's really capable of in the field together with running costs etc. looking good though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) We won't see any guns or ammo till at least the end of 2013, probably not till early 2014. The .17 hornets been out for a while now and we still haven't got the different versions of the savage rifle that are avalible !! Or new brass for reloading,Yet alone the ruger 77/17H !! We always get the ar@e end of new products :( Edited January 5, 2013 by rimmie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 The HMR is what it should have been, it's just not what you want it to be. The new calibre looks useful, it would be great if they could make it work in semi-autos. My biggest hope is that it will drive the price of HMR ammo down. not if you were around when it was actually launched and recall it billed as a 200yds vermin gun. It wont go auto as it will suffer the same fate as the HMR in that respect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 we still get HMR ammo for £10 a box so not bad price wise, this is another one we don't have any quarry for in the UK. Its not a bunny gun and its not a fox gun just like the 17 hornet .22 hornet etc when you go centerfire you might as well go for a proper one Well they are billing it for coyotes and a reasonable ranges I am positive it is a fox gun taking into account its got quite a bit more energy than a .22 WMR and the inuit use that for seal. Costs are the big one BUT its developed from a construction tool cartridge so economy of scale is already in place, having worked with the Yanks I can tell you its almost a case of " if I cant get my nail gun on it it don't get fixed" . The .22 Hornet is well capable on fox exactly how you see a 45 grn bullet at 2900 FPS not a "proper" centre fire beggers belief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckytrigger Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 £10 a box i paid 29.50 for 100 rounds from my local gunshop. Thats well pricey! £21 per 100 rnds from the gunshop i go to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 As for when will we see it int he UK that will donw to BWM to import some and sell them to dealers there is alot of stuff that can't or won't be sold in the UK we are one very very small market for firearms and i doubt were even a consideration in development. As Rim fire reloading isnt practical supply of ammo will be the critical thing would spend £400+ on a rifle that you might struggle to get ammo for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 Well they are billing it for coyotes and a reasonable ranges I am positive it is a fox gun taking into account its got quite a bit more energy than a .22 WMR and the inuit use that for seal. Costs are the big one BUT its developed from a construction tool cartridge so economy of scale is already in place, having worked with the Yanks I can tell you its almost a case of " if I cant get my nail gun on it it don't get fixed" . The .22 Hornet is well capable on fox exactly how you see a 45 grn bullet at 2900 FPS not a "proper" centre fire beggers belief Big fields and lamping from a vehicle aren't a good combination for a center fire on the limit at 200 yards on foxes, I like to put them down with more authority, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 Big fields and lamping from a vehicle aren't a good combination for a center fire on the limit at 200 yards on foxes, I like to put them down with more authority, I don't think the .17 rem, 17 hornet or .22 hornet are particularly on their limit at 200 yds - its the shooter who is more often. strange you are forever extolling the virtues of the HMR for foxes though as I don't give it time of day as a foxer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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