Vince Green Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 The truth is that all the Nationalised Industries had, by Maggies time, become massively subsidised dinosaurs. I worked for one at the time. It was Nationalisation in the 40s that killed the Industries by locking them in a time warp condemning them to a slow decline through stagnation. Everybody thought it was a gravy train that would go on and on. The end was inevetable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 speechless about some of the comments in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 speechless about some of the comments in this thread. Why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 We need a thatcher now, mess similar, debt worse, millions who have no interest in this country, £250 billion a year just to pay dead wood to breed, crime an accepted norm, dead industries, massive imports, feckless invisible fathers, unbelievable public sector size, entitlement everywhere, but as long as men are allowed to marry each other then thats the main thing!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Why because some attitudes never change and we are going to be locked in this cycle forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy boy Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 maggie had, and still has more balls than any MP who followed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) I feel i must congratulate ME for lighting the touchpaper for this post. Bullseye. Thanks. I am rather enjoying reading all the posts. I was surprised that Maggie served from 1979 to 1990. I thought she stopped before that. On the subject of Unions, this is what Wikipedia has to say about Bob Crow - He describes himself as a "communist/socialist".. As of 2009, Bob Crow's basic salary at RMT was £94,747; a 12% increase from the previous year. His entire pay package with bonuses and pensions was £133,138; on top of this he claimed £9,989 in expenses and £2,376 in travel costs. Despite his six-figure pay package, more than five times the average salary, Bob Crow lives in a subsidised council house whose rent is about £150 per week lower than the market rent. Well funny. Champagne socialist! Edited January 7, 2013 by ME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 because some attitudes never change and we are going to be locked in this cycle forever. That's life my friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 The best PM we ever had. Had the balls to make difficult decisions, got the countries debt under control and the country back on track. Typical cycle - Labour get in and spend spend spend, conservatives rescue it, set the country back on track but everyone goes through pain in the process ( and most people think relatively short term ) so labour get voted back in and the cycle continues. Don't get me wrong the conservatives make lots of mistakes along the way but nothing compared to Labour ! I spent more time in and out of work under the tories,so the question will i be watching,rather stick pins in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 I spent more time in and out of work under the tories,so the question will i be watching,rather stick pins in my eyes. What work do you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Maggies intention was to put the working man back down the ladder were he belongs,she was heard to say this by a reporter before she came to power,i was told this many years ago by a local councilor,i cant prove this to be true you can come to your own conclusions. What work do you do? I am time servered decorator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud dad Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Maggies intention was to put the working man back down the ladder were he belongs,she was heard to say this by a reporter before she came to power,i was told this many years ago by a local councilor,i cant prove this to be true you can come to your own conclusions. I am time servered decorator. If you was told this by a councillor who heard it from a reporter then it must be true. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) I have no problem with socialism, it's just that i have never met a genuine one yet. Vince, you confirm exactly what i said about comrade Crow. Edited January 7, 2013 by keg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 "Maggies intention was to put the working man back down the ladder were he belongs,she was heard to say this by a reporter before she came to power,i was told this many years ago by a local councilor,i cant prove this to be true you can come to your own conclusions" My conclusion is that it is utter rubbish tbh. All She wanted was for us all to stand on our own two feet and look after those less fortunate, but not the lazy so and sos who were and still are milking the system. This is a great thread, love a lively debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Other than throw money at the mines does anyone have an answer to her problem at the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 I can still remember back then the night shift at British Steel in Corby getting caught at work in their sleeping bags. No wonder they needed subsidising and ended up unemployed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Once worked with an ex-copper(sacked for fiddling his expenses,but now luxuriating in his sergeants pension)who told me that during the miners strikes him and his colleagues were milking the overtime,and made loads of dosh.He told me that while they were 'digging it' in various hotels,pubs and B&B's,one or two of the married ones took advantage of being away from home by moving their girlfriends into the digs for the duration.So,it wasn't all bad then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 My late father used to say to me "Theres only two woman in my life boy and that your mum and Mrs Thatcher ! " ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 because some attitudes never change and we are going to be locked in this cycle forever. But whose attitudes would you change: those who hanker for a return to a paternalisic State and full unionised employment in Victorian heavy industry for everyone North of Watford, or a modern economy based on competitiveness, balanced books and self-reliance? Mind you, the way Cameron's Tory party approaches government I would say the cycle has been broken. We now look to be imprisoned forever in the ghastly synthetic daytime-TV juvenile world of Blairite mediocrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 "Maggies intention was to put the working man back down the ladder were he belongs,she was heard to say this by a reporter before she came to power,i was told this many years ago by a local councilor,i cant prove this to be true you can come to your own conclusions" My conclusion is that it is utter rubbish tbh. All She wanted was for us all to stand on our own two feet and look after those less fortunate, but not the lazy so and sos who were and still are milking the system. This is a great thread, love a lively debate. And just incase there was'nt enough she created thousands more ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 And by the end of her time in power, the economy was flying and unemployment was at its lowest for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 (edited) I can also remember when the only way you could get a job as a docker or printer on three times the average wage was to be related to one and that was why they shut down most of the docks and stopped printing papers in fleet street great days if you are one of the lucky ones and unions claim to be there for the low paid what a joke. I do not agree with some things that she did like selling off all of the council houses big mistake and selling off gas electric and water and the railways was bad but then it was the only way to stop the unions holding us all to ransom. Edited January 7, 2013 by four-wheel-drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 But whose attitudes would you change: those who hanker for a return to a paternalisic State and full unionised employment in Victorian heavy industry for everyone North of Watford, or a modern economy based on competitiveness, balanced books and self-reliance? Mind you, the way Cameron's Tory party approaches government I would say the cycle has been broken. We now look to be imprisoned forever in the ghastly synthetic daytime-TV juvenile world of Blairite mediocrity. I would like those with a wish for big government to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 "Perceived wisdom is also that manufacturing disappeared under Thatcher. If so, it was something that had already started. In 1970, manufacturing accounted for 20.57% of UK GDP. By 1979 that was down to 17.62% of GDP. By the time she left office, that decline had continued - albeit at a slightly slower pace, down to 15.18%. Now it is much lower, according to the ONS - down to 9.86% in 2010" The above is a quote from that bastion of socialism, The Guardian. What is totally clear is that new Labour did nothing to reverse any of Mrs T's policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 And by the end of her time in power, the economy was flying and unemployment was at its lowest for years lol can anyone get ticket's to your planet ? to this day we are still paying through the nose for her bad decision's, she sold off billions of government asset's which we the taxpayer's are footing the bill for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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