thepasty Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) Clay shoots can be like game shoots tho where it can be as much about looking the part as it is being able to shoot or not... At my local clay shoot which is very casual and easy going you get all kinds of guns busted out the cabinet just to have a go and a laugh... the more inappropriate the gun the more people egg you on... tis a reet laugh Edited January 31, 2013 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 More importantly what's your build? I've had a pump, a Browning BPS which was absolutely stunning regarding build quality and it bottom ejected meaning your empties are on the floor by your feet when it comes to pick up time! The trouble I had being a shorty is that it was right at the end of my comfortable stance to hold the fore end and that put me off. I now shoot an auto and hit a lot more, but I've got no doubt that if the hold on the Browning would have been more comfortable I'd have got on great with it. Next time I'm in Canada I plan to buy a 20g "youth" model. I know, I know, but if it fits it's going to be lovely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzthompson Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 A clean escort will run 24g (mine does) if your worried about recoil. I have an escort and a 870, both good. Pumps require a lot less cleaning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackinbox99 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 thanks for all the replies guys, i've been thinking really hard about it but am still sightly unsure i'm going the the shooting show in a few weeks so ill have to have a look there at everything.the sxp does seen like the way to go i work at a clay ground as a ref and in all my time have only ever seen 1 pump action.it makes you wonder where they all are You`ll probably find thats because pumps are not "fashionable" atm for clays. I started off shooting clays with a semi auto beretta 391 and that raised a few eyebrows as everyone else there was shooting o/u`s. I got on really well with it and soon would be getting 23/24 out of 25 on the skeet every time. I usually buy whatever cartridges my local shop has on offer. Sometimes the normal 28g 7.5`s, other times 24g or even 21g. Never had a single problem with the semi not cyling them. Used to put 250 through it every weekend, so it had some serious use. Atm I tend to use my old cheapie £60 sbs and even thats out of place at the clay range as I seldom see anyone there with a sbs! Ive also got a mossberg 500 pump and sure, its a strong looking gun. I can imagine using it whilst its covered in mud and it would still work fine. Its fun for a bit doing the old rambo "click click" of the pump, but I find if comparing it directly to my semi, I prefer my semi every time. Might just be personal preference, but thats my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) There is no such thing as reliable auto, they all jam at some point, get a pump, don't need to clean to operate, will cycle any shell, Woah there, now i love my pump as much as the next man but thats a bit of a bold statement! Plenty of pumps cannot reliably cycle short cartridges And i've seen plenty of jams caused with cartridges that would otherwise normally work because of operator error and can be quicker to cycle than an auto with practise Now thats just being silly, i mainly shoot PSG and have shot with some of the best 'pumpers' in the business and while some of the top tier guys can come close to the speed of a semi, i'm yet to see one that can out pace one I was once challenged to a 10 cartridge shoot off against someone claiming they could beat a semi with a SbS, the video of my effort is below. If you can beat that time with a pump i'll give you my Supernova, because i'm not worthy to be using it! :yp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZfD6NmCUcQ As for the OP, personally i'd get a semi if you're going to be using it for clays. Using a pump can be a novelty every now and again, but consistently dropping birds on doubles traps can get a bit tedious. And yes i know there are people on here that can out shoot an O/U with a pump-action their grandad built in 1930 so no need to hear from you Edited January 31, 2013 by Breastman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) I only shoot pumps, much more reliable and twice the fun. I dont think there is such a thing as a 100% reliable semi auto. //edit : I used to have a Benelli M2, it was reliable for the first 3 years or so, I'd put 30,000 rounds through it by then, and it was light striking and all sorts. I now own a Remington 870 (forever!) and a Benelli SuperNova. Both as reliable as you can get imo, and yes I shoot clays with them. A lot Edited January 31, 2013 by throdgrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 There's no such thing as a 100% reliable pump-action either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Being able to out run a pump gun with an auto has no use in the field what so ever IMO. A macho game on a range maybe! Not my scene! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 There's no such thing as a 100% reliable pump-action either i heard this too, a friend had a wing master which used to jam up all the time, he is a bit of a flid though so might have short stroked the thing.i've just bought an 870 express super mag, i hope it doesn't cause me any grief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibspoon Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 There is only really one solution to this dilema. You need to sit down with a pen and calculator and work out what you can afford. Write it on a bit of paper. Then screw it up, chuck it in the bin and go out and buy BOTH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 There is only really one solution to this dilema. You need to sit down with a pen and calculator and work out what you can afford. Write it on a bit of paper. Then screw it up, chuck it in the bin and go out and buy BOTH! Thats exactly what i did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 but that means id have to use 28 grams carts instead I have maxus i use for clays,it will work fine with 24 gram steel loads,not a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Woah there, now i love my pump as much as the next man but thats a bit of a bold statement! Plenty of pumps cannot reliably cycle short cartridges And i've seen plenty of jams caused with cartridges that would otherwise normally work because of operator error Now thats just being silly, i mainly shoot PSG and have shot with some of the best 'pumpers' in the business and while some of the top tier guys can come close to the speed of a semi, i'm yet to see one that can out pace one I was once challenged to a 10 cartridge shoot off against someone claiming they could beat a semi with a SbS, the video of my effort is below. If you can beat that time with a pump i'll give you my Supernova, because i'm not worthy to be using it! :yp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZfD6NmCUcQ As for the OP, personally i'd get a semi if you're going to be using it for clays. Using a pump can be a novelty every now and again, but consistently dropping birds on doubles traps can get a bit tedious. And yes i know there are people on here that can out shoot an O/U with a pump-action their grandad built in 1930 so no need to hear from you Total waste of cartridges at that speed you would be lucky to hit a barn door Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Total waste of cartridges at that speed you would be lucky to hit a barn door I'll freely admit it was a p*$$ing contest, but is two people having a sprint race a waste of shoe leather?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I only shoot pump- and lever-action shotguns. They're great fun. Short-stroking won't be a problem if you use it enough. I would advise you to get an older Remington 870 Wingmaster. They're not expensive second-hand and are as smooth as a very smooth thing. My favourite would be an Ithaca M37 but you're not likely to come across one of those. Regards, Mark. Had two, sold one to a mate last year, the Ithaca Model 37 Slide Gun is the Rolls Royce of its type. Only 6.5 Lbs in weight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) I'll freely admit it was a p*$$ing contest, but is two people having a sprint race a waste of shoe leather?? looked like a bit of fun to me Edited January 31, 2013 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) Had two I might have one or two myself... sold one to a mate last year Ah, I see that you haven't quite got the hang of things. The idea is to *stockpile* 'em. the Ithaca Model 37 Slide Gun is the Rolls Royce of its type. I suppose that you *could* say that I'd agree with that opinion. Regards, Mark. P.S. Someone else mentioned the relative speed of shooting semis and pumps. The nice thing about my S.1 M37 is that it *slam* fires. Edited February 1, 2013 by ChAoS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Well I never thought Pumps would win over Auto's....great contest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 so looks like it comes down too personal choice/opinion (as usual)... so go to a dealer where you can try before you buy and see which one YOU like best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Why would you want to have to pump the gun over the option if an instant second shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 They can both jamb! The pumps are cheaper, some would say more fun. The autos are faster and kick less , that's why they made them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Why would you want to have to pump the gun over the option if an instant second shot? The second shot with a pump is still very quick unless it's being operated by someone who's new to manually operated shotguns. When I started shooting (using a pump), on more than one occaision I short-shucked and got a "click" when I went for the second clay but *still* managed to pump again and get it with the third "shot". Pumps aren't as slow to operate as many people think. The advantages of pumps include: cheaper (or better quality for a given price), simpler, (generally) easier to clean, more reliable, will accept a wide range of ammo, etc. As I said above, a good second-hand 870 WM would be a good choice - cheapish, reliable, smooooth (or should be). By the way, if anyone buys a *new* (or little-used) 870 Express, it will probably pay the give the chamber a bit of a polish. Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klatuveradanikto Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) Hade a couple of semi auto's and sold them feel i get more pleasure from a pump, as mentioned i think it's down to Hobsons Choice see link for a quick 3 shot pump blas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7vL1m2BGRI Edited February 1, 2013 by klatuveradanikto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 The second shot with a pump is still very quick unless it's being operated by someone who's new to manually operated shotguns. When I started shooting (using a pump), on more than one occaision I short-shucked and got a "click" when I went for the second clay but *still* managed to pump again and get it with the third "shot". Pumps aren't as slow to operate as many people think. The advantages of pumps include: cheaper (or better quality for a given price), simpler, (generally) easier to clean, more reliable, will accept a wide range of ammo, etc. As I said above, a good second-hand 870 WM would be a good choice - cheapish, reliable, smooooth (or should be). By the way, if anyone buys a *new* (or little-used) 870 Express, it will probably pay the give the chamber a bit of a polish. Regards, Mark. Agree with you! Here's my 1977 Wingmaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Agree with you! Here's my 1977 Wingmaster Get me the drool rags,,,,quick! U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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