Pump Club

[Jaymo]

7 hours ago, Old farrier said:

Seeking the knowledge of the pump club members here looking for one of these anyone know of one for sale 

Not with an 18” barrel I haven’t 🤣

But could have a compensator fitted like the old days! ( yes the act does cater for this but convincing someone of it is a little more challenging as I can attest too ) 

[Old farrier]

Just now, Jaymo said:

Not with an 18” barrel I haven’t 🤣

But could have a compensator fitted like the old days! ( yes the act does cater for this but convincing someone of it is a little more challenging as I can attest too ) 

Oops I can see the 18 inch barrel could be a bit of a problem I’m assuming you could get a 24 inch model 🤔😊

thanks for your reply 👍

[enfieldspares]

8 hours ago, Old farrier said:

Seeking the knowledge of the pump club members here looking for one of these anyone know of one for sale 

These in the UK are now s5 thanks to those friends of shooting the Tory Party when in Government. Banned (s5) in 1988 by Mrs Thatcher's then Government.

[Jaymo]

12 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

These in the UK are now s5 thanks to those friends of shooting the Tory Party when in Government. Banned (s5) in 1988 by Mrs Thatcher's then Government.

But there is a paragraph in the firearms act that only applies to smooth ores in that they are not subject to the ‘once sec 5 always sec 5’. 
Will try and find it, it has been used before on some early Mossberg 590 imports with 20” barrels. 
A certain company down south had perforated muzzle breaks brazed on to make them Sec 1/2. 

[Old farrier]

9 hours ago, enfieldspares said:

These in the UK are now s5 thanks to those friends of shooting the Tory Party when in Government. Banned (s5) in 1988 by Mrs Thatcher's then Government.

That’s a pain was hoping to get a section 1/2one 

8 hours ago, Jaymo said:

But there is a paragraph in the firearms act that only applies to smooth ores in that they are not subject to the ‘once sec 5 always sec 5’. 
Will try and find it, it has been used before on some early Mossberg 590 imports with 20” barrels. 
A certain company down south had perforated muzzle breaks brazed on to make them Sec 1/2. 

Thanks for the info much appreciated not looking very likely to find one 🙄🤔

[enfieldspares]

FWIW I've owned two twenty inch barrel pump guns back in the day when they were s1 (before 1988) a Winchester 1897 (ex Royal Irish Constabulary) and a Winchester 1912 (ex Tom Collins of New Kent Road via Weller and Dufty's sale of his estate). 

Unless you've need to lose the four inches (say to stick a bayonet on the end or use in confined spaces) a twenty-four inch barrel handles better, gives less blast and takes slightly longer to make you go deaf.

Stick a Lyman style "Cutts Compensator" on the end to make those twenty inches twenty four and the gun is now unbalanced but the muzzle blast remains. Avoid! The worst of both worlds IMHO.

Edited December 27, 2022 by enfieldspares

[Old farrier]

1 minute ago, enfieldspares said:

FWIW I've had two twenty inch barrel pump guns back in the day when they were s1 (before 1988) a Winchester 1897 (ex Royal Irish Constabulary) and a Winchester 1912 (ex Tom Collins of New Kent Road via Weller and Dufty's sale of his estate). 

Unless you've need to lose the four inches (say to stick a bayonet on the end or use in confined spaces) a twenty-four inch barrel handles better, gives less blast and takes slightly longer to make you go deaf. Stick a Lyman style "Cutts Compensator" on the end to make those twenty inches twenty four and the gun is now unbalanced. 

Thank you for the information it looks like 24 is the way forward if they are available and probably easier on my ears 

 

[enfieldspares]

The listings of Guntrader should throw up a goodly number of UK market made Mossberg 500 shotguns in blued steel. I've never seen them in matt nickel however. For competition "practical shotgun" use some say that "rifle sights" work best with slug and a plain barrel with a bead works best with buckshot. Personally I never found a problem using shot (rather than slug) with rifle sights. The other benefit if you've s1 authority is that the twenty-four inch barrel allows of an eight shot magazine tube beneath it and for slug you've a longer (which is better) sight radius.

Here's a link to a de-activated one:

https://dwsuk.org/epages/057184c7-2fa2-4321-880c-a30e87657239.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/057184c7-2fa2-4321-880c-a30e87657239/Products/H420412

Edited December 27, 2022 by enfieldspares

[Scrumbag]

On 26/12/2022 at 15:04, Old farrier said:

Seeking the knowledge of the pump club members here looking for one of these anyone know of one for sale 

Don’t know about an 870 but Valmont firearms had “chromed” / synthetic mossberg 590s with a 24” barrel

[impala59]

In my humble opinion, the pictures show a 20 or 24” or thereabouts. Assuming a LOP of between 13/14”, there is no way that the gun shown has an 18” barrel. Also stated is 7rnd, very unlikely on an 18” barrelled pump. Of course it doesn’t state 7+1 so maybe is 6+1 which seems more feasible. The only available short barrel shotguns I am aware of in this country are the double “coach” guns. Also agree with Enfield spares regarding blast and handling. I did hear tell of some short barrel loophole that was being exploited by the company selling lever action shotguns but didn’t investigate as not really my sphere of interest. I hope you find what you’re looking for, it is a pretty gun!

Edited December 31, 2022 by impala59

[Old farrier]

52 minutes ago, impala59 said:

In my humble opinion, the pictures show a 20 or 24” or thereabouts. Assuming a LOP of between 13/14”, there is no way that the gun shown has an 18” barrel. Also stated is 7rnd, very unlikely on an 18” barrelled pump. Of course it doesn’t state 7+1 so maybe is 6+1 which seems more feasible. The only available short barrel shotguns I am aware of in this country are the double “coach” guns. Also agree with Enfield spares regarding blast and handling. I did hear tell of some short barrel loophole that was being exploited by the company selling lever action shotguns but didn’t investigate as not really my sphere of interest. I hope you find what you’re looking for, it is a pretty gun!

I think the picture is not the best indicator for size and length and wouldn’t consider one unless it was at least 24 inch barrels 

im not looking for loopholes or to get around the regulations 

just thought it was a nice looking piece to add to the collection 

many thanks for the reply 😊👍

[Pops_Hants]

On 26/12/2022 at 15:04, Old farrier said:

Seeking the knowledge of the pump club members here looking for one of these anyone know of one for sale 

I've recently considered adding a pump to the (small) collection, was thinking of cheap and cheerful, such as Winchester SXP, but now I have see this.. ooooooo that looks good!

[Old farrier]

1 hour ago, Pops_Hants said:

I've recently considered adding a pump to the (small) collection, was thinking of cheap and cheerful, such as Winchester SXP, but now I have see this.. ooooooo that looks good!

Apparently not available in the uk though 

sadly 😕🙁

[Pops_Hants]

50 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

Apparently not available in the uk though 

sadly 😕🙁

******! That is a real shame.

 

I was looking at the Hatsan Escort in a similar looking finish. At £290 new, I can't see it being as nice as the Remi, but for just a bit of fun it could do the job. Although in all honesty, I will probably stick with finding a cheap Winchester SXP, just as a known entity.

[Old farrier]

1 hour ago, Pops_Hants said:

******! That is a real shame.

 

I was looking at the Hatsan Escort in a similar looking finish. At £290 new, I can't see it being as nice as the Remi, but for just a bit of fun it could do the job. Although in all honesty, I will probably stick with finding a cheap Winchester SXP, just as a known entity.

I’ve got a sxp very good gun and dose everything I want 

just fancied the remi 😃

[TbirdX]

Mossberg - The Saddlery and Gunroom

 

Marine finish in a 2+1 if required

 

[impala59]

Its certainly been a bit quiet on the Pump Club thread recently, I have, unfortunately, sold most of my extensive collection of Ithaca guns (regretted almost every one!) I still have a few and will continue to support, use and promote these excellent guns.

My club has seen a recent resurgence in using pump guns for practical, I am happy to say. We have a healthy pump fraternity competing in our annual league competition

My latest M37 mod is an extended action release, protruding a little ahead of the trigger guard. It does not get in the way and is easier to use than the original. This is useful when "showing clear" as it falls immediately to hand and makes emptying the remaining rounds far simpler. The pictures show it before blueing. This particular M37 is my test bed gun and is currently running all stainless metric springs (except for the mag tube for which generic, good quality springs are available) It has, in addition to the above mod, a firing pin, an ambidextrous safety catch, slide retaining pin, turned ring type fore-end  and plasticast butt plate all made in my garage.

With total unavailability of OE Ithaca parts in the UK I will continue to make parts as required, thankfully, due to the receiver being machined from a solid billet and the roto-forged barrels, these great guns will continue to function as they have for the last 86 years. My chosen competition M37 is 1971 vintage and going strong with no issues at all. 52 years! 

 

[Downforce]

I have had to thin out my collection so a few of my S2 pump action guns are going in to the upcoming Southams sale.

There is in fact a decent selection of pumps and semiautomatic and unusually slightly less over and under and SxS

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[Jaymo]

Just remember, if anyone ever has or comes across a Mossberg 590 A1 ( must be the A1). Then I will take it for sure, it’s the one model missing from my Mozzy collection. 

[Downforce]

12 hours ago, Jaymo said:

Just remember, if anyone ever has or comes across a Mossberg 590 A1 ( must be the A1). Then I will take it for sure, it’s the one model missing from my Mozzy collection. 

How do you know if it was an A1

Also the mossbergs were all over the place price wise at Southams 

[Downforce]

On 29/05/2023 at 21:41, impala59 said:

 

Its certainly been a bit quiet on the Pump Club thread recently

 

I was out shooting clays with the Benelli (with two cartridges) a little while ago but to be honest it’s been a struggle to find time to get out for a day

 

That said I had a brilliant day and need to schedule some more 

 

Hopefully sorted with a gun for the wife (that’s a present not an exchange) so we can both get out together and not rely on people that live a good few hours away 

D

[Jaymo]

7 hours ago, Downforce said:

How do you know if it was an A1

Also the mossbergs were all over the place price wise at Southams 

A1 stamped on the receiver lhs. Much thicker barrel, metal safety and trigger guard and if it’s over here, then it will also have a four inch barrel extension. 

[theshootist]

On 29/05/2023 at 22:30, Downforce said:

I have had to thin out my collection so a few of my S2 pump action guns are going in to the upcoming Southams sale.

There is in fact a decent selection of pumps and semiautomatic and unusually slightly less over and under and SxS

D

There were a couple of very nice Winchester Model 12s for sale in the Southams sale. Sadly I had to keep myself away this time, otherwise I would have got carried away! 

[spanj]

Sadly, am selling my Mossberg 500. Pls see gunwatch if interested

[impala59]

Anyone got an Escobar Pump?

I Know nothing about them, but I've been asked to look at a malfunctioning one. The action release button stays in the up position, therefore the gun will not lock up. Possibly the bolt carrier is not going far enough forward or is being blocked somehow. It should be a fairly simple thing to diagnose but I wondered if any of the PW Massive had any experience of these shotguns