lewis2012 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Hi all im supposed to be going up mid wales with a mate tomorrow night to shoot some rabbits on his permission with the .17hmr. The only problem is ive sent my FAC off for a variation for fox/vermin so have not got my ticket in my possesion. I knw its currently with the FEO but dont know how long that will be and obviously going tomorrow night. I also did not think to photocopy it so that a bit gutting! So am i still able to go shooting or? Thanks all Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Yes you can no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Yes, unless the landowner insists on seeing it before you shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis2012 Posted February 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 What im thinking of is if police happento pull me over on way home and the im unable to produce FAC for the hmr in my possesion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) What im thinking of is if police happento pull me over on way home and the im unable to produce FAC for the hmr in my possesion Take normal ID, Passport/driving licence the PNC will confirm your status as FAC holder. Don't speed and unlikely to get pulled over! Edited February 15, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark@mbb Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 I scan mine on the computer and get a proper copy so they can see every thing and i never had a problem and cheshire said a copy was ok because they no you have firearms before they pull you up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 What i'm thinking of is if police happened to pull me over on way home and the i'm unable to produce FAC for the hmr in my possession Take ID with you and the police can check if you have a FAC if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis2012 Posted February 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Ok thank you all for your replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 I'm actually surprised by the post's, i thought u were meant to carry it whenever u have ur firearms. I also believed ur home force are more leniant and will accept photocopies but i have heard of people having there firearms confiscated by other forces until they can bring there licence into the station Couple off seasons ago my local force was stopping boys going onto the foreshore to check sgc and game licence's and they 'held' a few guns from different forces if didn't have there proper licence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 carry mine all the time they can and sometimes do take your rifle until you produce your fac , depends a lot on the area you live or visit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 I'm actually surprised by the post's, i thought u were meant to carry it whenever u have ur firearms. I also believed ur home force are more leniant and will accept photocopies but i have heard of people having there firearms confiscated by other forces until they can bring there licence into the station Couple off seasons ago my local force was stopping boys going onto the foreshore to check sgc and game licence's and they 'held' a few guns from different forces if didn't have there proper licence There is nothing in the law to say that you have to carry you licence, With all the technology now it takes no time at all for a police office to confirm that you hold the appropriate licences and i should think they can even get the information to check the guns as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Never carried my sgc ever as its home safe so why carry fac . Police can radio through. I never carry id as I'd loose it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 No need to carry FAC as stated it's all on PNC. ID will be helpful though, with photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 There is no requirement to carry a SGC or FAC - it's impossible to do so while it's away for any changes. Technically a police officer can seize a firearm if you can't produce the certificate, which is one reason to carry one, however as everything is computerized and when they look up your name the fact you have firearms comes up even before your address, they have no reason to seize them. Unless they have reason to think you aren't who you say you are, it would take a nasty copper to insist on seizing them without any reason (though it's possible). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 There is also the small problem that if you loss it. You will have lost a document listing your firearms and your name and address probably not a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastiebap Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Police can seize firearms until they can be satisfied that the owner has the legal right to hold them. Don't know about the mainland, but in NI a PNC check does not show what firearms you have and your entitlement to hold them, that is held on the firearms system and an ordinary Constable does not have access to this. If you're stopped at 3 in the morning chances are there will be nobody on duty with the privileges to access the relevant computer system. I always carry my FAC or a Copy, it just makes life so much easier if I am stopped at a VCP or by a passing Police Patrol and asked about the firearm in my possession and saves me the hassle of going to the station to collect my firearms the next day at the station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I have a A4 folder with all my permissions , copys of fac,sgc basc insurance even the dogs insurance all laminated , I only take this when I go with rifle at night in car,, way things are going though I'm thinking of running copys of my sgc and the pigeon perms and taking them when I go through the day, to cut down on hassles if I get a tug..., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 If you get pulled the police can legally seize the guns of anyone who cannot produce, if your 200 miles from home that's a long trek back for it. In reality with other photo ID the PNC check can sort this but they don't have to do this and in some circumstances might not to be able to or might not care to. I carry mine when traveling far unless its the sort of venue you don't want anything on you that might suffer from getting wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 I'm actually surprised by the post's, i thought u were meant to carry it whenever u have ur firearms. I also believed ur home force are more leniant and will accept photocopies but i have heard of people having there firearms confiscated by other forces until they can bring there licence into the station Couple off seasons ago my local force was stopping boys going onto the foreshore to check sgc and game licence's and they 'held' a few guns from different forces if didn't have there proper licence There is no legal requirement to carry your cert with you if you have guns with you. However, an officer can sieze your firearms if you cannot produce it. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 GMP have put out a letter to local clay ground requesting SGC is shown before you are allowed to shoot - members and non members alike - noticed it on the board yesterday. So in this case you need to carry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibspoon Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 I always carry my SGC when i go out. There are some right idiot coppers out there that don't know how to use discretion. And i know how badly other peoples property can be treated in the police property stores. Not worth the risk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 GMP have put out a letter to local clay ground requesting SGC is shown before you are allowed to shoot - members and non members alike - noticed it on the board yesterday. So in this case you need to carry If the ground has the examption for clay grounds then why would they do this? If that's what they want them to do then they could just pull the exemption so that only SGC holders could shoot. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 If the ground has the examption for clay grounds then why would they do this? If that's what they want them to do then they could just pull the exemption so that only SGC holders could shoot. J. It has section 21 but that requires the shooter to be accompanied by a sgc holder - wait to see how it pans out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 (edited) It has section 21 but that requires the shooter to be accompanied by a sgc holder - wait to see how it pans out. It's section 11(6), a place approved by the police for shooting at artificial targets. The shooter does not need to be accompanied by a certificate holder. If the ground is approved and the police ony want SGC holders to shoot there then they can just pull the 11(6) approval. Section 21 is the section dealing with people previously convicted of crime. J. Edited February 17, 2013 by JonathanL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 GMP have put out a letter to local clay ground requesting SGC is shown before you are allowed to shoot - members and non members alike - noticed it on the board yesterday. So in this case you need to carry :/ It sounds like the police are (as usual) making up rules as they want, either to suit themselves or cause inconvenience. It may not be law, but some clay grounds will comply because they don't know any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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