Towngun Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I have been looking at the 24 V 28 gram debate and wonder if anyone has further comment. The advantage of 24 grams is: 1. Lower recoil* 2. Lower cost 3. Less deformity of shot - better patterns *If frequently heading a football can lead to brain injury, what happens to the brain following several thousands of shots taken on the clay ranges? Heading is believed to have killed the English footballer Jeff Astle. The disadvantages: 1. Less shot in the air I have looked at the average pellet count for 28 grams of No.7.5 and this is 350. So what if we took 24 grams but moved up to No.8? When we do this we see the average count is 359. Not only do you resolve the pellet count issue but you actually increase it. Problem solved or at least the problem now moves to another debate i.e. No.7.5 to No.8 shot? For those who suffer from recoil issues or for those who are concerned about the long term impact of recoil on the brain box this may be worth consideration. PS: I am not suggesting N0.8's are suitable for live quarry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TbirdX Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Sorry, but the recoil effect on the brain is a new one to me. Are you seriously suggesting that recoil from shotguns damages the brain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I new there was a reason for my brain not working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I have changed from 28g 7.5s to 24g 8s (because they were on offer) and my scores have improved and they are nicer to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I have been looking at the 24 V 28 gram debate and wonder if anyone has further comment. The advantage of 24 grams is: 1. Lower recoil* Not always 2. Lower cost Not necessarily and certainly not a big difference 3. Less deformity of shot - better patterns Absolutely unproven though oft spouted by magazine experts (sorry editors) with little technical knowledge other than reading other rhetorical accounts *If frequently heading a football can lead to brain injury, what happens to the brain following several thousands of shots taken on the clay ranges? Heading is believed to have killed the English footballer Jeff Astle. The disadvantages: 1. Less shot in the air I have looked at the average pellet count for 28 grams of No.7.5 and this is 350. So what if we took 24 grams but moved up to No.8? When we do this we see the average count is 359. Not only do you resolve the pellet count issue but you actually increase it. Problem solved or at least the problem now moves to another debate i.e. No.7.5 to No.8 shot? For those who suffer from recoil issues or for those who are concerned about the long term impact of recoil on the brain box this may be worth consideration. PS: I am not suggesting N0.8's are suitable for live quarry. I have little doubt that dropping down a shot size from say 7.5's to 8's can be beneficial if you're going to go the 24g route but as highlighted above too many assumptions are made about the differences between the two loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john m Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I use English sporter 28's got a slab of Fiocci 24's recoil the same no difference in my shooting i'm still ****, the 24's are a bit cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Jeff Astle's problems were allegedly caused by heading a football, obviously shaking his brain about a bit. Recoil is a different planet. I have looked at the average pellet count for 28 grams of No.7.5 and this is 350. So what if we took 24 grams but moved up to No.8? When we do this we see the average count is 359. Not only do you resolve the pellet count issue but you actually increase it. Use 8s in 28 gram loads - increase your chances. If you like shooting 24 gram loads - do it, but I haven't seen any convincing argument for them, as yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 wouldnt say lower cost i bought intercomp in 24g for £44 but could get 28g comp x for £38 or superfast or kents for £36 shot the kents and superfast and too much recoil through my sxs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Er . .... Heading the ball hits you in the head, and recoil hits you in the shoulder , fail to see the comparison, also old matey boy with the head was with the old heavy leather football that used to absorb water, I may be wrong but I believe that was the debate on his untimely death. If you mount the gun on your forehead it may well have the same effect, try it and let us know how you get on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul2012 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Er . .... Heading the ball hits you in the head, and recoil hits you in the shoulder , fail to see the comparison, also old matey boy with the head was with the old heavy leather football that used to absorb water, I may be wrong but I believe that was the debate on his untimely death. If you mount the gun on your forehead it may well have the same effect, try it and let us know how you get on perhaps the op was refering to damage to the shoulder long term? Personally can't see it happening in either case, 28g for me purely because of the cost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landyboy Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 i have recently used some RC2's 7.5's in 24 gram which are an english 7 and they have worked very well on OT. DTL and sporting ! Only reason i bought them is i have to use 24 gram at OT, they are very light on recoil and give good breaks although i will be back to 28 gram for everything except OT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Why will you move back to 28g, is it just a cost thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I use 21g whenever I can and it doesn't seem to effect my scores.....only my pocket. How about 21g No 9's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landyboy Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 The 24 gram are £10 a thousand cheaper than 28's but i'd rather have the extra pellets in a 28 gram just purely for more confidence really ! On anything up to 40 yards i don't believe anyone will hit any more clays with either just a personal preference and confidence thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daks Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I fail to see the correlation between heading a football and firing a shotgun, unless of course you intend on mounting your gun on your forehead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 The question is ,if you've been using the same type of cartridge should you really change , I'm intrigued Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I've shot 24 gm loads for a few years now as I cannot stand recoil and my ability to break clays has not become worse due to having a few less pellets in the pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 £10 per 1000 cheaper think i,d stick with the 28g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Havnt found 24g Any Cheaper then the 28s, i must be buying from the wrong places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 24g loads are not that cheaper ! its about £10 different. i actually homload 32g 28g 24g and 21g 12gauge loads. they all cost about the same £200 / k. i`m just about to start loading 24g of #9 at 1500fps. as a dedicated clay shell. just for english sporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 24g loads are not that cheaper ! its about £10 different. i actually homload 32g 28g 24g and 21g 12gauge loads. they all cost about the same £200 / k. i`m just about to start loading 24g of #9 at 1500fps. as a dedicated clay shell. just for english sporting. Do the grounds that you shoot at know that you are shooting "homeloads" and have you asked them for permission as their insurance might not cover you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 (edited) I have looked at the average pellet count for 28 grams of No.7.5 and this is 350. So what if we took 24 grams but moved up to No.8? When we do this we see the average count is 359. Not only do you resolve the pellet count issue but you actually increase it. This helps explain why we're always at 6s and 7s regarding shot size and the preferred choice of size. 28grams/1oz of 7.5 is about 400 and for 8s, it would be 385 (24grams). In effect, the 7.5 is 7 and the 8 is an undersized 7.5. Yep, OK, bit pedantic, but valid and as there'll never be agreement on which country's sizing to make international, as one of our members has correctly said, the only way to identify what's actually in the box is to size by pellet quantity by weight. Edit: Don't know what happened, second paragraph in the 'quote' is my first one Edited March 26, 2013 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Do the grounds that you shoot at know that you are shooting "homeloads" and have you asked them for permission as their insurance might not cover you. thats just funny, no, i dont tell them i`m using homeloads. All of my cartridges get proofed, so i cant see how the "homeload" issues are actually an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Glad you think it's funny, why not ask the ground owners opinion next time you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 thats just funny, no, i dont tell them i`m using homeloads. All of my cartridges get proofed, so i cant see how the "homeload" issues are actually an issue. Fine as long as you stick to the grounds rules normally 28g. Burnout allowed in comps to use home loads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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