-Mongrel- Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) 8 million better spent elsewhere........ Where, on a few million dole cheats/benefit scroungers/professional layabouts or a.n.other blood sucker? Edited April 9, 2013 by -Mongrel- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Yes, she lead our country through a victorious war er actually lead us into one KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 er actually lead us into one KW That's what leaders do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Where, dole cheats/benefit scroungers/professional layabouts or a.n.other blood sucker? why give it to MP's KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 That's what leaders do! you didnt get my drift it was her initial act of withdrawing the southern fleet that gave Galtieri the initiative KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willxx Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Worth every penny , 8 million I've just heard From the posts on here perhaps a quick whip round would be appropriate, I'm sure a mere £8m could be raised? While we're at it let's make sure that anyone who hasn't shed a tear has their SGC revoked as they are obviously not of sound character :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Oh I think I've got your drift! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Just some of my personel observations, both my grandfathers were miners,both got injured in the mine , union got them nothing. My father and uncle vowed never to go down the mine and moved away. I worked for 28 years for the best 4x4 in the world, the union convenor worked in my dept ( was paid) he would have a coffee in the morning spend all day in the union room and come back a 16.25 so he could stop for overtime and worked sat and sun. The union started the jobs worth culture and drained the company of money. When the government allowed you to buy your council house all the so called militents worked extra overtime to buy there parents houses so they could make a good profit. The mines were running out of cheap coal and the miners were just pawns in a political battle. Benefit should be a safety net to help, not a lifestile. they should not be given money but get a delivery of food from the supermarket. With respect to the military I was involved in a small part in Oman,Jordan and Iraq and the Falklands and she gave us what we wanted and put the GREAT back into BRITAIN. I'm not a political animal as I believe they are just political carearmongers but I do respect the the Lady and believe she did the best job she could. RIP Maggie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Posted elsewhere, but I cannot find ANYTHING to disagree with in the following. It as I saw and still see it. Tonight I shall go and have a drink for Margaret Thatcher's death. I shall raise my glass to the night sky, and THANK HER, and celebrate her life. People on this seem to have a very strange view of history. So here are a few little nuggets with how and more specifically WHY a lot of industries were destroyed by her, and what's more, ...destroyed with the MANDATE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them, then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. My own grandparents lay on a slab for 2 months waiting to be buried. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won by a landslide on that promise. She became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. Then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. We won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not, and did not, interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENANT and the tenant alone could buy that property. As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her, the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine, who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone, they arranged her removal and we have been a broken patsy for Europe ever since. So yes, I will celebrate the life of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and her death with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 you didnt get my drift it was her initial act of withdrawing the southern fleet that gave Galtieri the initiativeKW Southern fleet? Please remind me what this consisted of. Well, we have no aircraft carriers now, so I'm very glad that I do not live on the Isle of Wight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imissalot Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Posted elsewhere, but I cannot find ANYTHING to disagree with in the following. It as I saw and still see it. Tonight I shall go and have a drink for Margaret Thatcher's death. I shall raise my glass to the night sky, and THANK HER, and celebrate her life. People on this seem to have a very strange view of history. So here are a few little nuggets with how and more specifically WHY a lot of industries were destroyed by her, and what's more, ...destroyed with the MANDATE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them, then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. My own grandparents lay on a slab for 2 months waiting to be buried. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won by a landslide on that promise. She became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. Then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. We won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not, and did not, interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENANT and the tenant alone could buy that property. As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her, the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine, who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone, they arranged her removal and we have been a broken patsy for Europe ever since. So yes, I will celebrate the life of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and her death with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH Very true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willxx Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Worth every penny , 8 million I've just heard From the posts on here perhaps a pigeonwatch whipround is in order? I'm sure that all the grateful beneficiaries of her largess will easily knock together a mere £8m. While we're at it why not suggest that anyone not shedding a tear should have their SGC revoked as they are obviously not of sound mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Posted elsewhere, but I cannot find ANYTHING to disagree with in the following. It as I saw and still see it. Tonight I shall go and have a drink for Margaret Thatcher's death. I shall raise my glass to the night sky, and THANK HER, and celebrate her life. People on this seem to have a very strange view of history. So here are a few little nuggets with how and more specifically WHY a lot of industries were destroyed by her, and what's more, ...destroyed with the MANDATE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them, then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. My own grandparents lay on a slab for 2 months waiting to be buried. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won by a landslide on that promise. She became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. Then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. We won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not, and did not, interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENANT and the tenant alone could buy that property. As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her, the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine, who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone, they arranged her removal and we have been a broken patsy for Europe ever since. So yes, I will celebrate the life of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and her death with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH Well Said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Posted elsewhere, but I cannot find ANYTHING to disagree with in the following. It as I saw and still see it. Tonight I shall go and have a drink for Margaret Thatcher's death. I shall raise my glass to the night sky, and THANK HER, and celebrate her life. People on this seem to have a very strange view of history. So here are a few little nuggets with how and more specifically WHY a lot of industries were destroyed by her, and what's more, ...destroyed with the MANDATE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them, then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. My own grandparents lay on a slab for 2 months waiting to be buried. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won by a landslide on that promise. She became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. Then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. We won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not, and did not, interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENANT and the tenant alone could buy that property. As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her, the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine, who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone, they arranged her removal and we have been a broken patsy for Europe ever since. So yes, I will celebrate the life of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and her death with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH I like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 From the posts on here perhaps a pigeonwatch whipround is in order? I'm sure that all the grateful beneficiaries of her largess will easily knock together a mere £8m. While we're at it why not suggest that anyone not shedding a tear should have their SGC revoked as they are obviously not of sound mind? no need for whipround we just need to get the co-op in to do the job and spend the right money 2 k should do a decent send off KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 no need for whipround we just need to get the co-op in to do the job and spend the right money 2 k should do a decent send off KW i've got a feeling you dident like her or her policies one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Worth every penny , 8 million I've just heard Apparently she didn't want a state funeral. Said the money better spent elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 That's what leaders do! Unfortunately some "leaders" in the recent past have led us into an illegal war knowing that the reasons given for said war were lies!! Dear old Tony B liar, how the hell did he manage to crawl out from under those war crimes charges?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Apparently she didn't want a state funeral. Said the money better spent elsewhere. she's not getting a state funeral, god knows what that would have cost. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 The Thatcher Years and her legacy.1. She supported the retention of capital punishment2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren ("Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher")5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out)6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands10. The poll tax11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control18. Section 2819. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population22. She opposed the reunification of Germany23. She invented Quangos24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech27. The Al Yamamah contract28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%31. BSE32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession33. She opposed the inclusion of Eire in the Northern Ireland peace process34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders.40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions42. 21.9% inflation43. Toxteth 1981, Toxteth - 1981 Geoffrey Howe, Margaret Thatcher's Chancellor at the time, stated: "I fear that Merseyside is going to be much the hardest nut to crack", and: "I cannot help feeling that the option of managed decline is one which we should not forget altogether. We must not expend all our limited resources in trying to make water flow uphill." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 The Thatcher Years and her legacy. 1. She supported the retention of capital punishment 2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry 3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws 4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren ("Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher") 5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out) 6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration 7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership) 8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million 9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands 10. The poll tax 11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad 12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War 13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years 14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS 15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits 16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA 17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control 18. Section 28 19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist" 20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers 21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population 22. She opposed the reunification of Germany 23. She invented Quangos 24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5% 25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister 26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech 27. The Al Yamamah contract 28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet 29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike 30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15% 31. BSE 32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession 33. She opposed the inclusion of Eire in the Northern Ireland peace process 34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa 35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin 36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher 37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion 38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage 39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders. 40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education 41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions 42. 21.9% inflation 43. Toxteth 1981, Toxteth - 1981 Geoffrey Howe, Margaret Thatcher's Chancellor at the time, stated: "I fear that Merseyside is going to be much the hardest nut to crack", and: "I cannot help feeling that the option of managed decline is one which we should not forget altogether. We must not expend all our limited resources in trying to make water flow uphill." so after hundreds of replies saying she was the best pm we have ever had, and she did this and that for us when she was in power, this post just about sums up what she did for us , a true reflection I would say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 With 20/20 hindsight - would the UK not be alot more like Greece right now if things didn't change? I'm sure there was alot of hurt and pain along the way, but sometimes the ends justifies the means. We were in 1979 Aris, Except the IMF would not give us any more money, unlike the EU which is giving Greece a load. Ken Livingston said today that all the current problems were created by Maggie. Note the pattern. 1979, Tories inherit a pile of manure from the outgoing govt. 2010 after 3 x Blair & 1 x Gormless and it's the same, still, they left a note this time saying there was nothing left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 The Thatcher Years and her legacy. 1. She supported the retention of capital punishment 2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry 3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws 4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren ("Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher") 5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out) 6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration 7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership) 8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million 9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands 10. The poll tax 11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad 12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War 13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years 14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS 15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits 16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA 17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control 18. Section 28 19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist" 20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers 21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population 22. She opposed the reunification of Germany 23. She invented Quangos 24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5% 25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister 26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech 27. The Al Yamamah contract 28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet 29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike 30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15% 31. BSE 32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession 33. She opposed the inclusion of Eire in the Northern Ireland peace process 34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa 35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin 36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher 37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion 38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage 39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders. 40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education 41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions 42. 21.9% inflation 43. Toxteth 1981, Toxteth - 1981 Geoffrey Howe, Margaret Thatcher's Chancellor at the time, stated: "I fear that Merseyside is going to be much the hardest nut to crack", and: "I cannot help feeling that the option of managed decline is one which we should not forget altogether. We must not expend all our limited resources in trying to make water flow uphill." The first point i looked at was no.40. What nonsense, i just went to 6 museums in london and they were so great they dont even charge you. They certainly ddent look impoverished to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) We were in 1979 Aris, Except the IMF would not give us any more money, unlike the EU which is giving Greece a load. Ken Livingston said today that all the current problems were created by Maggie. Note the pattern. 1979, Tories inherit a pile of manure from the outgoing govt. 2010 after 3 x Blair & 1 x Gormless and it's the same, still, they left a note this time saying there was nothing left. people are calling maggie a great leader as she won 3 terms but so did blair 4 if you count in gormless so is blair a great leader too? I think not in fact he did just a bit less damage than maggie KW Edited April 9, 2013 by kdubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 in fact ol maggie thatcher called blair her greatest creation. tis true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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