al4x Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Don't think the man was getting smart, just telling it as it is. Would you not agree that perhaps adding in our original post that the roads you mention are actually private and not part of the Queen's highway network would have been a little advantageous, there being just a teensy weensy difference between the two. assuming they are all private and not Byways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 assuming they are all private and not Byways Can you prevent legitimate traffic from going along a byway by locking it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 you can with some of the prohibition orders however the fact you've put a gate on it does that stop it being a byway? Sporting rifle has a good section this month about how to loose FAC's they are missing shooting from roads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn2233 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 (edited) To be fair with Swiss we've shot foxes from the road side with the police there true it was on my land but this is East Yorkshire police each force is different on this Edited April 17, 2013 by martyn2233 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 What complicated minds some of you people have. Or lots of time with nothing to do... Grandalf,you posted this at 09.04am ! even i am at work by then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Just shoot them iv shot more stuff from road than hot dinners And as many visits from plod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Grandalf,you posted this at 09.04am ! even i am at work by then Ah, I'm retired. By then I have walked the dog and checked the pheasant feeders, had breakfast and I always check PW before getting down to my charity work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 please ask your daughter in law for her opinion. I did. As said, it was out of interest for myself, but the answer was so blindingly obvious - if you're a switched on practising barrister, that is - I thought I'd mention it. I have to say it would never have crossed my mind. First of all though, the one thing that would prevent a prosecution taking place would be that if it was deemed not to be in the public interest. It's so simple and is a good example of the dangers of asking legal advice on t'net. Every successful pursuit ends in a stop - the pursuer having caught his quarry. Driving up to a flock of geese, stopping because you've caught them in range and then shooting equates to a successful immediate pursuit. Guilty as charged, you're going down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted April 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 (edited) So, going by that using a vehicle as a hide or the like and quarry coming to you (i.e decoying etc) you are not in immediate pursuit at any point and thus within the law. Edited April 21, 2013 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 As I understand it, yes, but I'm not sure (don't shoot them) if that also applies to deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 So,if we are to follow the law to its full extent-if I'm driving down a public road on my way to a days shooting and I hit a pigeon with the car then I may as well hand my guns in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 So,if we are to follow the law to its full extent-if I'm driving down a public road on my way to a days shooting and I hit a pigeon with the car then I may as well hand my guns in only if you're driving a Browning o/u gti or Shogun ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 How does this work for someone shooting from an electric motorised wheel chair or an argocat. A lot of discussion mentions shooting from a road private or otherwise. I think the initial start of the topic refers to the below quote. So if you are shooting say in a field having to access it by a mechanically propelled vehicle, (electric driven wheel chair) would this be classed as an offence under this act? "If any person uses any mechanically-propelled vehicle or boat or any aircraft in immediate pursuit of a wild bird for the purpose of driving, killing or taking that bird, he shall be guilty of an offence against this Act and be liable to a special penalty:" BBL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted April 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 A Very good and yet another interesting point, by what we've discussed to date including the feedback from a "law" person a disabled person in an electric wheelchair or a disabled person using any other means of mechanically propelled transport (through necessity) would indeed be committing an offence. Arent there laws against discrimination under the disability act? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjm160 Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Had my interview with the FEO today and asked this question (amongst others). He commented that this particular law is frequently misinterpreted by shooter and police alike. So long as "not causing a danger or annoyance to passers by", it is perfectly acceptable to shoot from the roadside. I also asked about shooting from vehicles and he stated "so long as stationary". A particularly nice and most reasonable individual (he added the .223 moderator I had forgotten to include and also a .17 HMR I had not originally requested but since wanted to include) who is a former police firearms officer/instructor and shoots privately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Kill Bird....... ....Moving Vehicle.... The only thing which comes to mind. Seriously guys, anyone would think you lot walk around with a law book checking your every action and then alerting others to your potentially illegal activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Had my interview with the FEO today and asked this question (amongst others). He commented that this particular law is frequently misinterpreted by shooter and police alike. So long as "not causing a danger or annoyance to passers by", it is perfectly acceptable to shoot from the roadside. I also asked about shooting from vehicles and he stated "so long as stationary". A particularly nice and most reasonable individual (he added the .223 moderator I had forgotten to include and also a .17 HMR I had not originally requested but since wanted to include) who is a former police firearms officer/instructor and shoots privately. sounds like you've dropped on your feet there having him as your FEO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 I'm confused, are we talking about shooting from the grass verge at the side of the road which is probably owned by the land owner or actually shooting from a stationary car/truck sat on the road? surely if your shooting from a public highway you would need permission to shoot on it by the highways agency or whoever actually owns the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted April 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) read post one... We're talking about shooting birds from a vehicle and in what capacity is it legal (obviously on private land). Whether shooting from a public highway is legal or not is not part of the threads intent.... as its obvious to any fool that shooting off a public highway is not legal. Edited April 22, 2013 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Shooting from a stationary vehicle, sensibly with the engine switched off, is perfectly legal...................end of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted April 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) Seriously guys, anyone would think you lot walk around with a law book checking your every action and then alerting others to your potentially illegal activity. Some say to be ignorant is bliss, others say to be educated is wise. Edited April 22, 2013 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 He (FAO) commented that this particular law is frequently misinterpreted by shooter and police alike. So long as "not causing a danger or annoyance to passers by", it is perfectly acceptable to shoot from the roadside. I also asked about shooting from vehicles and he stated "so long as stationary". Now that's what I said in the first place. You can shoot from the roadside. You can also shoot from a stationary verhicle. On one piece of land I shoot - Permission from FAO says that above 22 and 17 you need to be in a highseat or shooting off a vehicle. (Elevated position needed due flat land with no backstop). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Bazooka Joe can't see where you're from but if its the same lad I'm thinking he has a lot to lose too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) read post one... We're talking about shooting birds from a vehicle and in what capacity is it legal (obviously on private land). Whether shooting from a public highway is legal or not is not part of the threads intent.... as its obvious to any fool that shooting off a public highway is not legal. What's crawled up your ****? I asked as there was people talking about private roads (swiss tony) and bye ways with locked gates etc (al4x) and been told that we wasn't talking about private roads etc which would suggest to me they are talking about public roads or roadsides on public roads which is why I asked for clarification. What was it about 'negative, flippant, condescending post' Edited April 22, 2013 by bicykillgaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted April 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2013 my post was neither negative, flippant or condescending, I did nothing but state fact. The various tos and fros were down to the usual crossed wires, people playing devils advocates and silly *******. My last comment was aimed at us as a group generally and not at you in particular. Arent forums great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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