Yet another fatal dog attack .

[fenboy]

This seems to be becoming a regular thing .

A 79 year old pensioner killed in his own garden , tragic and a terrible way to go.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/26/liverpool-dog-attack_n_3338988.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cukt1%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D182286

 

 

[davecooper1]

Seen it on the news mate, what a tragedy, one good thing, the dog got put down.

[Gilberts1989]

I'm not too sure what dogs are on the dangerous breeds list and I'm not going to start pretending I do.

 

I am assuming that this was a pit bull terrier that was involved in this attack. A few weeks ago I read up on different breeds of dog (it all started with the Manchester terroir) because I was intreagued as to how each dog was bred and crossed with other breeds to make a 'hybrid' breed that excelled at its job.

 

This is the part that I can't understand. I came across the 'fighting' breeds and how they were selectively bred. They were also bred to be able to be controlled by humans in the thick of a fight (during bull baiting) so that the meat wasn't spoilt. This trait is easily recognised in the Staffordshire bull terrior (it has acquired the name of the nanny dog), how ever the pit bull terrior is the dog that is causing these fatal attacks.

 

These 2 dog were both created by crossing bull dogs and terriers, (i understand that there is more to it than that) but how do they now have compleatly different behaviour. Is it all down to the owners or is it down to selective breeding of the more agressive pit bulls these past few years.

 

I would like to own one after reading the history of how they came about, but I don't like the 'statues' you get with one, along with the police fine. Staffys have the same sort of bad press with 'street' image, how ever my friend has one and she is the nicest dog I have ever met, she isn't some chavy dog, just a loving family pet.

[ellie]

all this **** about staffys makes me sick,ive got three ov them and are the best dogs ive ever had,its not the ******* dogs its the SO CALLED HARD LITTLE BOYS pulling the dogs down

[henry d]

all this **** about staffys makes me sick,ive got three ov them and are the best dogs ive ever had,its not the f ing dogs its the SO CALLED HARD LITTLE BOYS pulling the dogs down

 

Agreed, we have a guy who has trained his dog to latch onto branches when he gives it a "walk" and the dog hangs off them shaking and snarling until he moves off. Bizarre.

[Sha Bu Le]

Channel 532 Eden now, programme all about dogs ........fascinating. If you miss it; it will no doubt be repeated later.

[kdubya]

If a dog has the ability to kill it should NOT be in the public domain,its not an inanimate object it is a living thinking thing capable of rationalising if and when it should attack,there is no need to own something that CAN get the better of you as a pet.

 

KW

Edited May 27, 2013 by kdubya

[whitey10765666]

all this **** about staffys makes me sick,ive got three ov them and are the best dogs ive ever had,its not the f ing dogs its the SO CALLED HARD LITTLE BOYS pulling the dogs down

+1

[WelshAndy]

I had a 'staffie cross' for 11 years, had him from 8 weeks old and he was taught manners from then too. In that time I had three children and he was fantastic with them. I trained him to the whistle his recall was spot on, he would walk to heal perfectly and I socialised him with other dogs from a young age. His only bad traight was he suffered from separation anxiety badly! He would destroy anything stoping him from being with me, the only place that he seemed happy was the car it's as if he knew that I would always return there quickly?!

 

Anyway I blame the owner not the dog.

[Gilberts1989]

all this **** about staffys makes me sick,ive got three ov them and are the best dogs ive ever had,its not the f ing dogs its the SO CALLED HARD LITTLE BOYS pulling the dogs down

Your compleatly right there, like I said, its just the pricks out there that give them bad press.

 

Wasn't it a few years ago that Rottweilers were killer agressive dogs that only thugs owned.

[Kes]

Whatever is dangerous need not be banned but just only allowed in safe hands. Its the man who fires the gun - not the gun. Its the owner who trains (or not) the dog not vice - versa.

Our Rotweiler could kill but he wont because he's trained. Putting aside breeds for a moment, whilst a tendency may be bred into a dog it can always be controlled by training. Dogs in the wrong hands like knives can kill. Maybe dogs should again be licenced - perhaps by the police civilian support with access to police data?

[Gordon R]

 

Wasn't it a few years ago that Rottweilers were killer agressive dogs that only thugs owned.

 

 

Just the sort of daft quote that gives dogs a bad name. :no:

[olly321]

ive had 4 staffys over the years all trained properly and not one of them has ever showed there teethe at any one

[four-wheel-drive]

Its a bit much when you cannot even go out in to your own garden and feel safe if people living in towns want dogs I think that they should settle for small ones ok a JR can give you a nasty bite but unless you are really small they are not going to kill you like a big one could if it got out of control.

[Gordon R]

ok a JR can give you a nasty bite but unless you are really small they are not going to kill you like a big one could if it got out of control.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/26/women-arrested-liverpool-dog-kills-pensioner

 

Last November in Telford, a week-old boy, Harry Harper, died of head injuries after being attacked while sleeping in his cot by the family pet, a seven-year-old jack russell described as "mild-mannered", one of several recent reports of deaths after attacks by legally owned dogs on private property.

[welsh1]

If a dog has the ability to kill it should NOT be in the public domain,its not an inanimate object it is a living thinking thing capable of rationalising if and when it should attack,there is no need to own something that CAN get the better of you as a pet.

 

KW

All dogs have the ability to kill.

But i know what you were trying to say,the trouble is some of these idiots out there use dogs as status symbols and relish them being aggressive.

How to you get round the problem?not sure to be honest,but licencing and chipping would be a start,maybe some type of points system that if you are warned for an aggressive dog in public you tot up points,if you reach the max the dog is removed from you.

[gemini52]

My future son inlaw bought a staffe of a mate of his last year,the dog was about four months old at the time,he took it to his local park for a walk,he let it off the lead for a run which he had done before with out a problem,a young girl was sitting on the grass with her mum and dad,the dog ran behind her and grabbed her by the hair and started to drag her along the ground,needless to say it was total panic,the dog was pulled off the little girl,luckerly she was ok,as far as i know he gave the dog back to the breeder,he said he did not have the heart to have it put down,the way i see it if it had the inbred agression at four months old whats it like now,if the dog had been mine it would be pushing up daisys now.

Edited May 27, 2013 by gemini52

[kdubya]

All dogs have the ability to kill.

yet to see a headline for a black miniature poodle getting the better of someone.

 

KW

[welsh1]

yet to see a headline for a black miniature poodle getting the better of someone.

 

KW

I don't think you got what i was saying,i agree with you, but your statement about IF a dog has the ability to kill,is wrong, all dogs have the ability to kill,your miniature poodle has the capability to rip your throat out,because it is small you can defeat it most of the time, but it still possesses the ability to kill,watch a jack Russell finish off a rat.All dogs are genetically wolves and somewhere deep inside them their kill and pack mentality is still there,we suppress the kill and use the pack to our advantage,just because they are small and you can give them a boot does not mean they are incapable given the chance to go for your throat.

[unapalomablanca]

Every time i go up the park a dog runs up to me, off the lead, potentially scary. You also have to avoid treading in dog **** all the time. These terrible incidents are just a reflection of a very weak society, i know i keep banging on about liberal wreckers, but i am afraid it all goes back to these cretins that have run this country for 60 years. You cannot be weak with dangerous people, who probably shouldnt have been born, let alone own a dog.

 

What a sad, unecessary end to a mans time on this earth. All so avoidable.

 

una.

Edited May 27, 2013 by unapalomablanca

[Gilberts1989]

 

Just the sort of daft quote that gives dogs a bad name. :no:

I own one! And I was just stating a fact. So wind your neck in and read what I have said in my posts on this topic.

[Gordon R]

I don't need orders from someone daft enough to post the junk that you have.

 

As for stating a fact - you need to look up the definition of "fact".

[Kes]

 

 

What a sad, unnecessary end to a mans time on this earth. All so avoidable.

 

This we can all agree on.

[Malik]

all this **** about staffys makes me sick,ive got three ov them and are the best dogs ive ever had,its not the f ing dogs its the SO CALLED HARD LITTLE BOYS pulling the dogs down

Couldnt agree more. A nice owner and a loving home would sort half these dogs out.

[karpman]

Need to regulate the idiot owners not the dogs in my opinion.

 

We were at the local park one kid was standing next to me and the Missus was loading me young un in the pushy when some women in a Honda Crv pulled up across the way opened her boot and two Alsatian types made there way over to us, I nearly **** my pants and as they approached I gave the first a swift kick to the face.

 

A huge argument ensued when the women made her way over and I was still cussing and shouting at her mutts. Of course she told me there harmless and the rest and my lurcher was in the car doing his nut..

 

I still say to this day if I had my gun she woulda had two dead dogs, and as luck had my dog was still in the car, he can be terribly protective over the young uns with other dogs.

 

Just a complete idiot owner who should not really be in control of big dogs or not in control of them as the case may have been.

 

Karpman