Amazed Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Hi all, bit of a strange question as outs is dead on the Astra what the hell makes them so expensive ? £280 for that alone never mind the clutch and labour may see some change form 600 if I am lucky ;( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Most people buy a one piece after market flywheel to prevent future problems. They also make a dual mass pulley for many cars and again many people simply fit a solid one. Much cheaper to buy and cheaper in the long run too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 £280.00 is cheap most are around six hundred or used to be. Fit a solid one as lord Geordie says,much better off. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Mate of mine fitted a solid one instead to his car about 200 miles later he snapped the crank in half because it couldn't take the loading . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 You risk busting the crank or gear box when using an aftermarket solid flywheel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy8762 Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Paul's right..... Don't replace it with anything other than another dual mass......the torque produced can snap a crank like its a matchstick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBS Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Had a solid in my transit for nearly twelve months, no problems........yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson_tom Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 That sounds pretty cheap parts and labour for the one on my old mondeo was £1000 i only paid £1100 for the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88b Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Done several Fords with solid flywheels, never had a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 My mondeo st220 dmf would have cost £1200 from the ford steelers,local garage did it for £900,i asked about a solid wheel but was advised that it would not be balanced and would eventually cause other parts to fail,the dmf balances the rotation and makes it smoother in operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Is it a diesel? There are some other issues with the clutch flywheel assembly so worth getting it all done if you can IIRC thrust bearings collapse and cause issues too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) Mate of mine fitted a solid one instead to his car about 200 miles later he snapped the crank in half because it couldn't take the loading .Perhaps if you drive like Lewis Hamilton? I had one fit to my Pug 406 HDI and did 100.000 no problems what so ever. That included towing a 1200kg load too! Older cars managed for MANY years without DMF's "WITHOUT" Shearing their shafts Sounds more a case of a weak or damaged shaft, like the old Mini engines. Edited September 13, 2013 by Lord Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Perhaps if you drive like Lewis Hamilton? I had one fit to my Pug 406 HDI and did 100.000 no problems what so ever. That included towing a 1200kg load too! Older cars managed for MANY years without DMF's "WITHOUT" Shearing their shafts Sounds more a case of a weak or damaged shaft, like the old Mini engines. Perhaps older cars were designed with solid flywheels in mind. Having just bought a new Diesel vehicle, this whole DMF issue worries me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 I just had a DMF done on an 07 vectra and it cost £940 That was for wheel, clutch and i had the timing belt done aswell. They also said to stick with the DMF instead of the solid as they had done one before and it had indeed snapped the crank after less than 1000 mile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted September 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Hi all, have bit the bullet and got the parts as I want at least 3 more years from the car. It's a 56 astra 1.3 ctdi. I would not of done the work if I hadn't already spent money getting it ready for the mot. It came to £ 475 for the full clutch kit inc hydraulic s and dmf so not bad all in all. A friend will fit it for 150/200 but 200 is more likely. I find it so hard to believe how poor the deign is that the whole harness has to come out. Looks like vauxhall has gone back a few steps as i am sure my last vauxhall was under an hour for a clutch. I was told not worry about the dmf as most new cars have them and to be fair it won't have been done in its life. The kits to Change them are very good but I was warned the same that other components are not up to the shock loading of a direct clutch and may fail. Thanks all it seems that a clutch is not a clutch any more,am glad it's not a mondeo ! And No new rifle for this lad this year ! ! ! :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyh Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 Almost all manufactures fit standard Flywheels now,but programme the ECU not to put massive tourque out under hard acceleration. To save the Flywheel. They have learned that DMF's dont last and cost in massive warranty claims! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil82 Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 if you change from a dual mass to a solid flywheel you need to change the front pulley for a `harmonic` damper, its this vibration that snaps the crank, reason some people get away with it is more down to their driving style, cruising up and down the motorway is different to taxi work or any driving in north wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 DMF is designed to minimise vibration in the engine to transmission transfer A solid flywheel can have as much as 2/3rds more vibration transmitted. A flywheel and complete clutch from VW for my transporter was quoted at £900 parts + labour @4hrs DMF manufactured by LUK supplied to VW as OE local motor factors supplied same LUK DMF and Cluch for a tad over £300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted September 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 DMF is designed to minimise vibration in the engine to transmission transfer A solid flywheel can have as much as 2/3rds more vibration transmitted. A flywheel and complete clutch from VW for my transporter was quoted at £900 parts + labour @4hrs DMF manufactured by LUK supplied to VW as OE local motor factors supplied same LUK DMF and Cluch for a tad over £300 That's the one I have got still a trade price it's very expensive :( put vat ontop and its a double :( :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) That's the one I have got still a trade price it's very expensive :( put vat ontop and its a double :( :( lol, Im on my third replacement now, the OE that came out was an LUK product thats how I knew where to shop around when VW dealer quoted the first time You say the harness has to come out ? Do you mean the front subframe ? thats the same on my VW Transporter Edited September 13, 2013 by TaxiDriver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 We had the DMF and clutch go on a VW Passat Estate a few years ago, the VW Dealer quoted around £1000, I eventually got it done at a local garage for about £600.. I think the Devil invented DMF's, I would not buy another vehicle with one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) lol, Im on my third replacement now, How any mikes you got on the clock? Edited September 13, 2013 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grazy Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 The DMF on my 911 cost me over £2k to replace! If you can, just change it for a single or light weight clutch as the pick up is a lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defender Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) I think the Devil invented DMF's I was going to say that Edited September 17, 2013 by defender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 How any mikes you got on the clock? 220K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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