overandunder2012 Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 (edited) It always surprises me how many seemingly intelligent adults believe in such tosh. think they call it an open mind, often found in the less basic human beings no offence intended but there will always be those that dismiss anything they cant see or understand as tosh and those that are prepared to be more open to things that maybe beyond the norm, this does not mean they believe it either it just means they dont rule it out . people once would have said if you told them the world was round "utter tosh anyone can see its flat" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-mindedness Edited December 5, 2013 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Some paranormal officianados believe ghosts are some kind of recording of past events, the physics of which have yet to be explained, which for some reason keep replaying. Ghost therefore may be walking through walls because when the "recording" was made the wall was not there. There is said to be the ghost of a monk on the site of an old abbey at Shaftsebury in Dorset. Those who claim to have seen it report that it appears to have no legs below the knees. Archialogical evidence uncovered some years ago when a public walkway was laid revealed that the mediaeval ground surface was nearly three feet lower than it is today. I'm open minded myself, but never seen one. Yet to see anything interesting in the churchyard behind my house when I scan the NV round there at night. Surely though if the ghost can walk through a wall because the physical environment was different but the event is replayed in situ, your monk should be a head and the upper part of a torso trundling around on the floor since the original walkway is underground now and he is still in context with it. With regard to the whole question of ghosts etc, I am open minded in general but believe that a huge amount of what is touted as "evidence" is either deliberately falsified or is the product of people so desperate to believe they will grab anything (orbs, flying rods etc). The television series Most Haunted was a classic example, especially in its live shows, of voluntary groupthink. Anybody could see that the most likely cause for the "events" was that the team were throwing stuff around and making silly noises - after all, they had ratings to make. Even now though, after the whole thing was exposed as (allegedly) a scam and that some of the team were (allegedly) at best untrustworthy and at worst (allegedly) slightly mad, an awful lot of people will adopt any line of argument OTHER than the whole thing having been a crock that got out of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 (edited) think they call it an open mind, often found in the less basic human beings no offence intended but there will always be those that dismiss anything they cant see or understand as tosh and those that are prepared to be more open to things that maybe beyond the norm, this does not mean they believe it either it just means they dont rule it out . people once would have said if you told them the world was round "utter tosh anyone can see its flat" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-mindedness Your quoting of me was a little selective. I went on to accept my 'tosh' comment was a little crass and to say: "I'm not a total sceptic either. I am prepared to consider that things I have not seen or experienced myself might exist, if I see credible, convincing evidence. I have yet to see anything which comes close to that for ghosts. I AM open to the possibility but I have yet to see or hear anything credible which supports that possibility. I think I can summarise my view as: is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? No. Edited December 5, 2013 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 I AM open to the possibility but I have yet to see or hear anything credible which supports that possibility. I think I can summarise my view as: is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? No.Pretty much sums up my views perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Your quoting of me was a little selective. I went on to accept my 'tosh' comment was a little crass and to say: "I'm not a total sceptic either. I am prepared to consider that things I have not seen or experienced myself might exist, if I see credible, convincing evidence. I have yet to see anything which comes close to that for ghosts. I AM open to the possibility but I have yet to see or hear anything credible which supports that possibility. I think I can summarise my view as: is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? No. Heard Margaret Thatcher making a speech in the House ...... Thought ... Christ she cannot be for real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Your quoting of me was a little selective. I went on to accept my 'tosh' comment was a little crass and to say: "I'm not a total sceptic either. I am prepared to consider that things I have not seen or experienced myself might exist, if I see credible, convincing evidence. I have yet to see anything which comes close to that for ghosts. I AM open to the possibility but I have yet to see or hear anything credible which supports that possibility. I think I can summarise my view as: is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? No. fair enough i did see that and should have given you credit where credits due, all im saying is it never hurts to keep an open mind to anything that doesnt mean believe everything but somethings we cant explain in this world lol apologies if you thought i was having a personal dig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 What is a ghost exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE AD Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Yep iv'e seen two the funny thing was they both had the same name ******** wierd ehh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 there is a giant invisible gorilla made of Turkish delight hovering above your head who only I can see Oh. My. God. You can see it too? That's a relief, I thought I was going mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorpeet Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Just read the cat in the box thing. Quantum physics? Quantum ******** more like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorismyhero Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Just read the cat in the box thing. Quantum physics? Quantum ******** more like! The methinks you have missed the point... Schrödinger's cat is meant to illustrate the point that we cannot know for absolute certainty the state of something without observing it in some way, but in doing so we potentially change it in some way also, thus what we observe is NOT necessarily the reality of the item under observation...related to heisenberg uncertainty principle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonker Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 For all you naysayers that say you'll only believe it when you see it. How many of you have seen air!! without it you'd be stuffed, you only know it's there because you were told it was and your still breathing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 For all you naysayers that say you'll only believe it when you see it. How many of you have seen air!! without it you'd be stuffed, you only know it's there because you were told it was and your still breathing it. Not the best analogy. Plenty of science and easily observable evidence to show the existence of air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Not the best analogy. Plenty of science and easily observable evidence to show the existence of air. your every post on this subject has been simply to belittle and decry, whilst putting your view that as you have seen nothing then in your world no one has, a rather sad and unenlightened view I might add. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 your every post on this subject has been simply to belittle and decry, whilst putting your view that as you have seen nothing then in your world no one has, a rather sad and unenlightened view I might add. KW Really? In the post you have quoted, just for example, who or what have I belittled or decried? Thanks for taking the time to read all my posts. I'm flattered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Really? In the post you have quoted, just for example, who or what have I belittled or decried? Thanks for taking the time to read all my posts. I'm flattered you need not be KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 I have a couple of ghost stories ,both very ,very true that I could share with you all and if you believe me then you would all be convinced of a life after death . Harnser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 (edited) I have a couple of ghost stories ,both very ,very true that I could share with you all and if you believe me then you would all be convinced of a life after death . Harnser. I don't know if its life after death or whether its a slip of time or whatever I honestly don't know but I HAVE seen something/someone not a ghostly "apparition"in the sense of an unclear shadow or mist, but a man stood in front of me, a man I tried to speak to, and a man who simply disappeared as I did so, and a man who was identified by someone who knew him and who later said my description of him was absolutely accurate, and a man who's image I can still "see" to this day. (I have posted before on this with more detail). KW Edited December 5, 2013 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 I have a couple of ghost stories ,both very ,very true that I could share with you all and if you believe me then you would all be convinced of a life after death . Harnser. Go on then share it with us . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 The word ghost has too much mythology attached to it. Scientists and general sceptics can't handle the life-after-death departed-soul aspect. If it was simply a case of strange unexplained visual phenomena, with common factors which recurr across time and across the world, experts would be queueing up to investigate, as they do with UFOs. But throw in God (especially God), the afterlife, souls in torment and serious study throws its hands in the air and walks away exasperated. Its agreat pity. Such an interesting subject made untouchable by the whiff of folklore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 The word ghost has too much mythology attached to it. Scientists and general sceptics can't handle the life-after-death departed-soul aspect. If it was simply a case of strange unexplained visual phenomena, with common factors which recurr across time and across the world, experts would be queueing up to investigate, as they do with UFOs. But throw in God (especially God), the afterlife, souls in torment and serious study throws its hands in the air and walks away exasperated. Its agreat pity. Such an interesting subject made untouchable by the whiff of folklore. You are quite right, there are plenty of physical and psychological conditions that can explain unusual occurences but, as yet, there is no room for ghosts in they way they are thought of (ideas developed through anecdote and cultural baggage) in science as the existance of ghosts would mean that the standard models of the physical world are all wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Anybody who in their past has taken any recreational hallucinogen's will know how realistic your mind can make non existent things appear to be , ghosts are just your imagination doing trippy stuff without the drugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Pretty much the same as with people who have dementia, particularly Lewy Body Dementia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Anybody who in their past has taken any recreational hallucinogen's will know how realistic your mind can make non existent things appear to be , ghosts are just your imagination doing trippy stuff without the drugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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