Scrumbag Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 12 hours ago, impala59 said: Absolute Bargain! Enjoy Loads in Holts online auction, bargain prices, take a chance! Ends on 5th July I believe I wish Impala, if I'm going to get a semi, it will be 3.5" chambered and steel proofed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 10 hours ago, Scrumbag said: I wish Impala, if I'm going to get a semi, it will be 3.5" chambered and steel proofed... Fair enough, loads of stuff out there, negotiators market too! Good Luck! I was looking at one on Holts called an "Impala" seemed somehow appropriate to bid! No idea where it comes from though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 04/07/2018 at 23:50, impala59 said: I was looking at one on Holts called an "Impala" seemed somehow appropriate to bid! No idea where it comes from though! Well that was a bit impulsive! Bid low and won(?) it. It would seem be a Turkish inertia gun from the little I can glean from the net, I don’t suppose anyone has an owners manual or schematic? Maybe I’ll wait until I pick it up then place a wanted ad for info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 Great, I look forward to some pictures of your namesake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan1664 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 I am on the look out for a fac semi auto shotgun what have people got that they dont use ?? I have a webley and scott 810 3 shot semi auto for sale or part exchange Im in Leeds West Yorkshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opossum Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 I had another go with the 1100 this weekend after a thorough cleaning and setting up of the rings etc. as advised, and got failures to eject about 20 shots in 75 using 27g cartridges. it's just not pushing that bolt back with much force, as when it did eject it didn't do it with much gusto. I have some 32g cartridges but my local site (Kibworth) has a max of 28g so I can't try anything heavier sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 I have a 1975 beretta a300 which ive used for pidgeons and its only not cycled once (on 30g pidgeon loads) i was thinking of taking it clay shooting Does anyone know what these guns are like with 21g/24g loads ? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 On 17/07/2018 at 21:16, Opossum said: I had another go with the 1100 this weekend after a thorough cleaning and setting up of the rings etc. as advised, and got failures to eject about 20 shots in 75 using 27g cartridges. it's just not pushing that bolt back with much force, as when it did eject it didn't do it with much gusto. I have some 32g cartridges but my local site (Kibworth) has a max of 28g so I can't try anything heavier sadly. It can only be mechanical binding, an over-strong mainspring or insufficient/leaking gas pressure, particularly as you state that even when it cycles properly it is weak/sluggish. It took me a while to correct my section one 1187 (my section 2, that I sold, never missed a beat) While I still had the sect 2, I compared and measured everything. the only difference was the Easiloader (but even that trigger assembly worked in the sect 2) It is a pain to go home, adjust something then return to the range/field/shoot week after week. Persevere, it will come good in the end, maybe try the Remington owners forum www.remingtonowners.com there is a contributor 'the virginian' who seems to know his way around the Remington autos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertt Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) To be fair my 1100 field ( with a new action spring ) probably wouldn't cycle 27g but I regard it not as a fault but as trying to make it do something it can't do. 28g for mine is right on the lower limit. For clays i use Cheddite Trap 28g which have plenty of gusto and 100% cycling. But it's main diet is 32 - 42g loads. Edited July 19, 2018 by Robertt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Hmm, my 11-87 cycles 24 gram up. 27 is my chosen cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertt Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 My 1100 skeet does 21g but it has original spring circa 1979. Having said that the 1187 is a little it different. A lot of the parts are interchangeable but not the barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 On 18/07/2018 at 09:07, chrisp said: I have a 1975 beretta a300 which ive used for pidgeons and its only not cycled once (on 30g pidgeon loads) i was thinking of taking it clay shooting Does anyone know what these guns are like with 21g/24g loads ? Thanks I have a Beretta 303 (same mechanism) and regularly use 24 gram Cheddite with no problems. Sometimes it is a 'between the ears' thing though and if I start to think about the possibilty of a 'jam', my performance suffers (so to speak). If this happens, I put a 28 gram up the spout and a 24 gram in the magazine. With regards to 21 grams, my 391 will cycle them but the 303 struggles and they both hate Hull Comp X's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastlincs Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Hi guys, anyone have any experience with a stoeger m3000? After a cheap semi and nothing close enough to me second hand local dealer has them in new for £370. He just said it’s a budget semi but as long as you clean after every use there spot on but can’t seem to find many peoples who got one to ask about .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 16 hours ago, Westley said: I have a Beretta 303 (same mechanism) and regularly use 24 gram Cheddite with no problems. Sometimes it is a 'between the ears' thing though and if I start to think about the possibilty of a 'jam', my performance suffers (so to speak). If this happens, I put a 28 gram up the spout and a 24 gram in the magazine. With regards to 21 grams, my 391 will cycle them but the 303 struggles and they both hate Hull Comp X's. Thanks im off to bisley next week so il take a selection of cartridges ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted July 22, 2018 Report Share Posted July 22, 2018 On 21/07/2018 at 11:04, chrisp said: Thanks im off to bisley next week so il take a selection of cartridges ! Shot a local 50 birder today, I started off with a 28 gram up the spout and 24 in the mag. After about the fourth stand, due to the heat and standing around, the Master Plan, went out of the window, I was just bunging 2 of anything in and shooting the bloomin thing, finished the remainder of the shoot without any jams. 28 and 24 Cheddite Trap plastic wad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Roney Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 Bought myself a Hatsan escort magnum at auction sold as little used, tried it twice in the clays and I can't miss I've added a 26mm extension to the but and I love it on the clays with half choke. My problem is on occasion it let's go Of The case before it fully ejects it and if this is the first shot it jams for my pair! Is it just cartridge related or as any body else found this? Left with a cartridge half out the chamber and breech wanting to close. Thanks now for any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 5 hours ago, Richard Roney said: Left with a cartridge half out the chamber and breech wanting to close. Classic "stove pipe" jam Make sure that your mag tube, piston rings, the cylinder (in which the rings reside) and the gas bleed vents into the cylinder from the barrel are scrupulously clean. Ensure that your rubber sealing ring is in good condition and not crusty, twisted or perished. I note that your gun has 'light use', it may have been put away dirty and been left for some time. With gas operated guns clean is king, carbon, unburnt powder and over lubrication can cause a muddy mess in the area where everything needs to be 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Roney Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 It was put away dirty I've stripped it and cleaned it twice now it's as if the ejecter let's go halfway through the process, I've not cleaned trigger mech, and I scrubbed chamber for fowling I got it spotless so I thought no the last outing but was worse this outing, fired less jammed more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Richard Roney said: It was put away dirty I've stripped it and cleaned it twice now it's as if the ejecter let's go halfway through the process, I've not cleaned trigger mech, and I scrubbed chamber for fowling I got it spotless so I thought no the last outing but was worse this outing, fired less jammed more? Do you mean the extractor? If so check the profile is sharp and the spring is strong. Some European cartridges have a markedly sloped profile that hook type extractors slip off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Roney Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 There a cheap express clay load 28g, doing seems strong with check with carts tomorrow, thanks for your help Spring not doing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted July 28, 2018 Report Share Posted July 28, 2018 Doing!!! Is the noise a spring makes as it flies away to be lost forever ? perhaps your spellcheck has a sense of humour! seriously though, it’s probably worth trying some other cartridges if only to eliminate them from the equation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 On 21/07/2018 at 11:04, chrisp said: Thanks im off to bisley next week so il take a selection of cartridges ! The old beretta fired 100 + 27g cartridges yesterday so i bought some 21g loads to try them and she wouldnt cycle them regularly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted July 31, 2018 Report Share Posted July 31, 2018 Well here she is. My new (to me) Impala 12g semi auto. Bought on a whim and just maybe a nice addition to the collection. It was in a bit of a state, having been put away wet, I believe. With no manual save a Russian YouTube short, I set about cleaning it up. The first problem was that the barrel was stuck fast (hence my assumption of being put away wet) and I needed my nylon drift and a rubber mallet to free it up. It is somewhat reminiscent of the Remington autos, with the difference being no action bars and the piston has its own return spring around the mag tube. This is in addition to the bolt and bolt plate which are returned to battery by a spring in the stock 'a la Remington'. The piston is a lightweight unit about 2" long with a steel piston ring at its front edge. Behind the piston is a light tube with 2 steel pins that engage the bolt under-plate, but are not connected to it. This alloy tube (shown upside down in the photo) is returned to battery by a spring around the mag tube. What this appears to do is create a short cycle for the Piston assembly whilst allowing a long cycle for the bolt and feed system. The bolt is released forward when locked back by a button below the ejection port, but this button then plays no further part in the operation of the gun. The carrier is free to move without any button to press, which is an improvement on the Remington system and more like the Benelli. The Trigger group is rather like a simplified Remington unit. There are cut outs machined into the top of the receiver for scope or other optic sights. Sling swivels are fitted front and rear. The gun is 3" steel proofed and takes Rem chokes which is a result really (I'm not usually that lucky!) The Gun actually cleaned up ok and seems quite slick in its operation, obviously a day at the range is needed to check all is as it should be. The picture below is as field stripped and I would be grateful if any forum member recognises the parts and could provide copy of a schematic and or manual. I believe that it was made by Istanbul Arms or the Khan organisation and may well be badged as many other brands as seems to be the tradition of Turkish arms manufacturers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) That looks interesting, almost as if the designer has taken good bits from several different makes. Does it have an "O" ring seal? Looking forward to your report on how it shoots and cycles. I suspect you may well end up writing a manual for it! Oh and I wonder if another one will ever turn up? Edited August 3, 2018 by TIGHTCHOKE Syntax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) There was no O ring when I took the gun down, which kind of surprised me. Having said that and based upon my experimenting with my Remington, there seems to be little room for an O ring. The tolerances are very tight albeit very slick in movement. I believe that even the smallest cross-section seal that I have would potentially cause a fail to lock into battery. When I get to the range with it I shall have some seals, just in case as it’s possible that the previous owner lost or didn’t fit one. Sometimes the condition of guns that I buy is pretty awful! This one I don’t believe had ever been taken down, evidenced by the carbon buildup on the piston and ports My research into the guns parentage has stalled somewhat, though I now believe that it was manufactured by Istanbul arms for Baikal. I guess that the Russians are, like their American counterparts, getting their manufacturing done in Turkey now. If that is the case, then I would hope that they would insist upon maintaining their ‘bombproof’ reputation! I have roughed up a manual of sorts, just as I do with everything to remind me about take-down issues etc. I do get a little confused with what I’m working on sometimes ??? as the collection grows! I should be glad to hear if anyone has any further information to add Edit...…... With a bit of time off work and prompted by your reply, I decided to have another closer look at this gas system and sure enough there is an O ring. The difference is that this one is captive in the forward body of the cylinder. It is also somewhat larger with a 2.6mm cross section. Being captive should make it more efficient, although there is some evidence of forward gas bleed off on the front face of the cylinder block . A 3mm viton O ring should sort that if there is excessive bleed Need a little rust remover, but pictures show ring in situ and removed Edited August 3, 2018 by impala59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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