Brad93 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Hi all. It's my 21st birthday in two weeks and I was bought a cz 455 .22lr by my parents, bit silly buying it already as I couldn't not go out and use it. Bought it as a package, rifle has fired 130 shots and was unmarked, came with a hawke endurance 3.5-10x50 and an A-Tec moderator. Anyways been out today and practiced to about 50 paces, missed every rabbit I tried for the other night so knew my technique was wrong (coming from springers/pcps/shotguns). This is what I was shooting at 80 paces and then decided to bring it a bit closer; 1st target 50 yards 2nd target 50 yards 3rd target 50 yards 4th target 50 yards Any tips on how to improve this was shot sitting on a stool with the rifle resting on a fence. Ammunition used was eley Subsonic Hollow. 5 shots at each target. Anyone else recommend another brand to try. I've used 100 odd rounds of these now, just wondered if I might get better groupings with another brand. Any recommendations? Edited January 16, 2014 by Brad93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Your trigger might be to heavy, if you have to keep the rifle still for longer to get the shot off, this will cause problems with accurate shooting. Or you just need to practice more lol !!!! Or both !! Always found Winchester subs to be the best when I had a .22. Also don't put the stock directly on the fence post, hold it with your hand, then rest your hand on the post, you might find this helps, as it's a more stable shooting position. Edited January 16, 2014 by rimmie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Try winchester subs, how big is the target ? looking at those groups you need more practice before shooting at rabbits . Was it a new gun , have you cleaned the barrel ? is the sight zeroed correctly , there may be a 100 different reasons . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 your groupings look to be coming together. bit more time paper punching, and maybe try different rounds, my cz performs well with winchester subs. trigger job as suggested, practice practice. good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I have the same 22lr rifle.I put a different scope on it yesterday and went to zero it in at the farm. I just use winchester subsonics and find them quite good rounds. Zeroed my rifle in at 50 yds till i ended up getting each round in a 1inch circle. That was in prone position using a bipod. Quite happy with that as it was breezy and will be quite adequate for taking headshots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I guess you are standing ? Get a bipod, sit or lay down and practice on paper far more before field use. Get your trigger technique and breathing really good I was getting a group in a 1p at 70 metres the other day with the zero set at 55 metres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Firstly, people coming from air rifle don't always duplicate or improve their shooting std with a rimfire straight off, I don't know why the heck this is but I have seen it so many times. Secondly, if there is a moderator on the gun remove it and try again as a bad threading job or a faulty moderator will throw groups all to heck and it quite common. Thirdly, check all action screws are well hand tight and the scope mounting is equally secure. don't fret about the trigger, heavy triggers don't create bad groups a poor trigger pull does! CZ triggers take a while to settle. Other than that cant help further it might be you or it might be something with the gun, the best thing is when you get chance put it the hands of someone who can really shoot well and see what they do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Try and find somewhere dry and lay on a bit of carpet and shoot a few rounds in the prone position, lying on your belly. The other thing you might like to invest in is a set of shooting sticks http://www.uttings.co.uk/p110021-vanguard-quest-t62-3-in-1-tripod-bipod-and-gunpod-4719856228372/?gclid=CN6W3-WHg7wCFQ3ItAodKEcAhQ#.UtgBfvRdVIU . You don't have to spend anywhere near as much as these, you could even make a set which would work fine. There's not always a fence to use. Get a bit of practice in and the size of your groups will improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmyman Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Untill you shoot a rifle off of a bench you can't judge what it and the ammo combo are capable off. Once you eliminate the 'human' factor as much as possible then and only then can you make an accurate(pun intended) diagnosis as regards group size. In my 30 odd yrs experience(and ,yes,1000,s of rounds fired) the deciding factor in the case of.22RF rifles is the ammo, because quite honestly it's just not that great. Having said that I don't doubt someone will post how they get sub MOA groups @ 100yds using Eley Tennex Regards remmyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Thanks for the responses guys. As said I was sitting on a stool just resting the stock/bipod legs on the fence. Was peeing it down so couldn't really shoot prone without getting soaked. Barrel has been cleaned but only by pulling patches through with some Napier gun cleaner. I'm investing in some proper cleaning equipment as per my other thread shortly. With the JB SuperTen I used to shoot 1 hole groups all day, but that obviously has no recoil. I think a big factor is down to me, breathing and pulling the trigger properly, it has the rimfire magic middle spring fitted, haven't measure the weight yet though. No real creep either. Will try without the moderator on on the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 4th Target with a ruler next to it So I guess three of the shots at 50 yards were within an inch, the shot in the 5 ring was my mistake I pulled it to much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon6ppc Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Winchester subs are deff the best in your gun,also pal fit a bipod then you should be bang on for group shooting,and as said plenty practice as well. the trigger on them guns are quite good as well so that should be ok. my old cz loved Winchester subs and the cci mini mags high velocity, thats if they still sell them ,cheers simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 If you get to zero it and you are happy dont be to quick to clean the barrel it wont hurt it i have shot thousands of rounds ive had mine for 12 years and it will shoot 1inch groups at 70 yards no broblem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 The gun in question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Looks a nice set up you should have no broblem zeroing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Don't fret, like I say regardless of your airgun experience few can just pick up a rimfire and get it shooting well, its not the recoil I think its just a mental thing effecting the trigger finger. I do disagree on the ammo front Sk, RWS, Eley subs, Winchester are all potential great shooters in your gun. My CZ was very unreliable with a brick of Winnies so they got returned (but has always performed with them in the past). Buy 100 of each of these and compare, shooting from a cleaned barrel each time under great conditions once you get your eye in though. Looking at your groups (with the ruler for reference) and its hard to tell but it could "just possibly" be your getting a parallax error from head movements, do you know how to look through the scope and check you not getting wandering cross hairs? This is more likely if your rushing or getting wet. I have shot two of these new CZ varmints in either stock type and they were both tack drivers, though in less experienced hands they didn't show their true accuracy potential. Both well capable of Sub Moa at 100 and with a few different things (both struggled to do that at 50 with Remington subs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Keep practising pal, I don't shoot my rf as much as i should picked it up the other day for a few rounds and couldn't hit the spinner free hand at 35 yards for the first few rounds any how. It's a very demisable skill and needs to be learnt and maintained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Will pick up some winchesters tomorrow. Probably 100 or so. Will then find what shoots best and sell the rest. I do have an issue with parallax, with my Simmons scope it had a parallax adjustment, so never had an issue. Will take a picnic blanket or similar and shoot some prone groups off the bipod from one of the barns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Keep at it mate it'll come, get a selection of ammo and ask a more experienced shot to test which shoots best through it. That way you'll know it's all down to user error and can tell notice when your improving. That's how I started, got my old man who's an excellent shot to set it all up check what the gun liked and then I just practiced. Still wouldn't claim to be a great shot but I know when it's me or the ammo at fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Will pick up some winchesters tomorrow. Probably 100 or so. Will then find what shoots best and sell the rest. I do have an issue with parallax, with my Simmons scope it had a parallax adjustment, so never had an issue. Will take a picnic blanket or similar and shoot some prone groups off the bipod from one of the barns. To mitigate you parallax error try keeping both eyes open and looking directly through the scope centre on a non PX adjust scope. I personally get on just fine doing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burky Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 keep at it mate practice as often as you can my cz like,s mini mag,s hole on hole at 70 yrd,s I,m sure you will be doing the same soon with the right bullet choice and practice . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Turn the target over until it's a white sheet of paper shoot 1 hole in the centre then use that as an aiming point the black on them targets are too big Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 I have had my .22 anshutz over 7 years now and its has shot 1000's of round and NEVER been cleaned once, it is as accurate as anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) Dont know if any body finds the same but my cz shoots shotgun size groups from clean, but after maybe 100 shots it will cloverleaf at 50/60 yds. Ahh didnt read the last post....yes i agree! Edited January 19, 2014 by kennett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Might be when youve walked 80 yards your heart rate is causing movement in the gun Try some deep breathing before you shoot to slow your heart back to normal a little bit of movement at 50 yards is one thing but a bit of movement at 80 is a lot on the target with a 22 Do you ever get to Kettering on a weekend ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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