Thunderbird Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Speaking of gene pool, you can't educate pork. I think it's not unfair to say the overwhelming majority of people that suffer these terrible tragedies are from a certain, shall we say, socio-economic group. What they will probably do now is have a massive funeral with the victim's name spelt in flowers, have T-shirts printed with her picture on, and refer to her as their 'shining star in the sky'. If you know what I mean. Sadly, none of this will bring the little girl back and none of it will prevent the same thing happening again, as Mike says, probably within the next six months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Speaking of gene pool, you can't educate pork. I think it's not unfair to say the overwhelming majority of people that suffer these terrible tragedies are from a certain, shall we say, socio-economic group. What they will probably do now is have a massive funeral with the victim's name spelt in flowers, have T-shirts printed with her picture on, and refer to her as their 'shining star in the sky'. If you know what I mean. Sadly, none of this will bring the little girl back and none of it will prevent the same thing happening again, as Mike says, probably within the next six months. totally agree, for a change, lol. APBT type dogs have been made out to be a vicious breed, some agree with it, some dont. i have a family member that had their dog taken away from them as someone had reported it as being a pit bull, it took 4 months to get the dog back! although she was a mongrel, and had possibly had pit bull in her bloodline somewhere, she was the most docile, loving and good tempered dog you could have the pleasure of meeting. doesnt mean i'd leave her in a room with a child though... you just never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Has anyone google mapped Emily st in Blackburn? Does anyone know the area? Doesn`t look like your average sink-hole estate to me. An avoidable tragedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Has anyone google mapped Emily st in Blackburn? Does anyone know the area? Doesn`t look like your average sink-hole estate to me. An avoidable tragedy. Its a pit, like much of Blackburn its gone backwards fast over the last 20 yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 It's nothing to do with the gene pool as the American Pit Bull Terrier is not a recognised breed in the UK. The Pit Bull Terrier Type which is banned here is a dog which conforms to the physical measurements of the APBT, so genes don't come into it. The fact that the KC don't recognise a dog is neither here nor there. Fact is these dogs came in during the 80's , the ban was about 20 yrs ago so no Genes should exist- yet they do, my point you cant cure a problem with a law only enforcement. Genes are present in non KC dogs ya know. In really simple terms many Black and white dogs that round up sheep are not Border Collies are they? because many have had no KC registered dogs in their line for generations. Jack Russels before they were Parson Jack Russels? I don't honestly see the breed as bad, its the owners and the rubbish that's been bred for all the wrong reasons, perhaps though I hate to say it bred and kept by responsible persons the breed should not have the reputation it has today, lets face it once over the Staffie and the English bull had a bad reputation. The selective breeding of those dogs has certainly softened those GENES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 dogs of any breed should never be allowed to roam free around the home especially where children are.no dog can be trusted 100%.the proof of this is the many graves in our cemeteries of babies and toddlers.in these cases the owners should be charged with murder not manslaughter.it shows a total lack of care and responsibility.i suppose we will get the usual **** about how the dog was so soft and gentle.sickening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Do you not think that some of the 'bull' type dogs have a genetic disposition for aggression, just as labs have it for carrying things around in their mouths or collies for herding? I think some have. You have answered the question in your last paragraph. The fact that the KC don't recognise a dog is neither here nor there. Fact is these dogs came in during the 80's , the ban was about 20 yrs ago so no Genes should exist- yet they do, my point you cant cure a problem with a law only enforcement. Genes are present in non KC dogs ya know. In really simple terms many Black and white dogs that round up sheep are not Border Collies are they? because many have had no KC registered dogs in their line for generations. Jack Russels before they were Parson Jack Russels? I don't honestly see the breed as bad, its the owners and the rubbish that's been bred for all the wrong reasons, perhaps though I hate to say it bred and kept by responsible persons the breed should not have the reputation it has today, lets face it once over the Staffie and the English bull had a bad reputation. The selective breeding of those dogs has certainly softened those GENES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Do you not think that some of the 'bull' type dogs have a genetic disposition for aggression, just as labs have it for carrying things around in their mouths or collies for herding? I think some have. You have answered the question in your last paragraph. Most certainly, but you can stop a collie from herding a lab from carrying stuff around by diversion and correction. Over time just like these traits are selected in the breeding of Labs / collies so they can also be de-selected in the APBT. The proof of the pudding comes when you look at show and work lines in a retriever breed, even not selecting for a trait by intention has its effect. I still believe a dog is a dog non the less, I have known a few Labs I should personally class as outright dangerous, though it is the worlds most popular breed by its very propensity to good temperament/good nature and tractability / trainability If you look at Cersar Milan's old mentor dog the APBT (Daddy was it called?), that came to him initially as a problem dog. Yet he used it to socialise other problem dogs in its latter days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southern Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 The fact that the KC don't recognise a dog is neither here nor there. Fact is these dogs came in during the 80's , the ban was about 20 yrs ago so no Genes should exist- yet they do, my point you cant cure a problem with a law only enforcement. Genes are present in non KC dogs ya know. In really simple terms many Black and white dogs that round up sheep are not Border Collies are they? because many have had no KC registered dogs in their line for generations. Jack Russels before they were Parson Jack Russels? I don't honestly see the breed as bad, its the owners and the rubbish that's been bred for all the wrong reasons, perhaps though I hate to say it bred and kept by responsible persons the breed should not have the reputation it has today, lets face it once over the Staffie and the English bull had a bad reputation. The selective breeding of those dogs has certainly softened those GENES I don't know if you're deliberately misunderstanding me... The pit bull terrier TYPE which is banned in the UK under the Dangerous Dogs Act can result from crossbreeding dogs which are not PBTT. This means that it cannot be eradicated as long as other dogs are allowed to mate/breed/produce puppies which may grow up to be "type". Some litters can produce grown dogs which do not all conform to "type". It's a much bigger problem than just banning a breed, and, as such, genetic APBT heritage doesn't come into it. Obviously, breeding from resulting PBTT dogs results in PBTT puppies. There are currently more PBTT dogs in the country than there were at the time of the DDA coming into force Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 The nastiest dog that I have ever known was a cocker dog owned by a farmer, no one, and I mean no one but him could go near it. If you went near his pick up it went crazy. It also ate the car's interior. Most certainly, but you can stop a collie from herding a lab from carrying stuff around by diversion and correction. Over time just like these traits are selected in the breeding of Labs / collies so they can also be de-selected in the APBT. The proof of the pudding comes when you look at show and work lines in a retriever breed, even not selecting for a trait by intention has its effect. I still believe a dog is a dog non the less, I have known a few Labs I should personally class as outright dangerous, though it is the worlds most popular breed by its very propensity to good temperament/good nature and tractability / trainability If you look at Cersar Milan's old mentor dog the APBT (Daddy was it called?), that came to him initially as a problem dog. Yet he used it to socialise other problem dogs in its latter days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_seagrave Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 It's awful, utterly preventable and beyond tragic. This LS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 feel very sad for the child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr. lecter Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 sorry to say the majority of these dog owners have a lower iq than the dogs , enough said .! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 my dogs a good dog I love my dog? shame it was not reciprocated? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487254/Pit-bull-mauls-owner-death-fought-bit-young-nephew.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 my dogs a good dog I love my dog? shame it was not reciprocated? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487254/Pit-bull-mauls-owner-death-fought-bit-young-nephew.html As the comments section says from that website "it's the breed, not the owner" It's all rather bizarre; if I kept a pet tiger and it bit me or someone else, it really shouldn't come as any great surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Ultimately this is a tragedy, these dogs have had various routes into the uk being called "Irish Staffies" is one route and put on their import papers and that's just one way. If you see a long legged athletic looking staffy type then the chances increase that it is pit. Plenty of dogs will bite but few will lock on and kill in the way these will. I trust mine with children and they are a breed that one member who is commenting on owners influence on their dog has had to destroy one of. Would I leave them alone no just from common sense but they have been brought up from puppies with plenty of children about and I know how they react when pushed and ultimately I know I would always have the upper hand, you cannot say the same for a pit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Like you said al4x you wouldn't leave your dogs alone with small children. People who think it's ok to sit skinning up,while their kids are alone with a pit bull are............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 the real thing is though these aren't just an issue with small children they can be an issue with adults as well that is the scary bit and why some people have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munzy Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 It's all rather bizarre; if I kept a pet tiger and it bit me or someone else, it really shouldn't come as any great surprise. I absolutely agree with this. I personally would trust a bull terrier far far less than I would a collie which in turn I would trust less than a lab. I wouldn't leave ANY of them around a child or a strange adult. I don't know what the answer is to avoiding this tragedy in future but I suspect it lies with the owners since ANY dog has the ability to inflict serious injury. How about a compulsory injection at birth to remove the ability to conceive a child and then make everyone apply for a license to receive the antidote. The reversal would last for six months and then another application would need to be submitted for future antidotes. It would massively reduce the unwanted pregnancies, kids being beaten to death, all sorts of child abuse, dogs attacking children etc. Over time it would also help to improve the intelligence of the human gene pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 I absolutely agree with this. I personally would trust a bull terrier far far less than I would a collie which in turn I would trust less than a lab. I wouldn't leave ANY of them around a child or a strange adult. I don't know what the answer is to avoiding this tragedy in future but I suspect it lies with the owners since ANY dog has the ability to inflict serious injury. How about a compulsory injection at birth to remove the ability to conceive a child and then make everyone apply for a license to receive the antidote. The reversal would last for six months and then another application would need to be submitted for future antidotes. It would massively reduce the unwanted pregnancies, kids being beaten to death, all sorts of child abuse, dogs attacking children etc. Over time it would also help to improve the intelligence of the human gene pool. Sounds a tad like you woke up this morning feeling a bit dictator-ish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munzy Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Sounds a tad like you woke up this morning feeling a bit dictator-ish. Too right. I'll whip this country into shape in three months or your money back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 General Munzy for president! Get that man a new palace and a couple of skip fulls of high heels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brynhaller Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Look at the little girls fathers picture cradling his baby daughter in the sun newspaper looks a real caring loving nice kid,and then look at the mothers new boyfriend .what can't speak can't lie as they say.One will be absolutely gutted and distraught about his loss,and one will be thinking how can he talk his way out of trouble and then where is his next dog coming from.This country's full of men like the boyfriend,and until it's not this will happen more and more, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowdie2013 Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 I guess all these "James Turner Street" owners firmly believe their dog would never undertake any attack on a child. People should be evaluated at 14//15 yrs and if they fail the test they should be neutered to stop these half wits breeding. Watched benefits street and was disgusted. There's scum like this in every corner of the UK so time we stop them having ugly sex. Poor child. Totally avoidable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 This is one problem sadly I see no solution to. We have two terriers of dubious parentage which whilst they are lovely with adults we would never leave alone with small children. These mentally subnormal humans just do not think and you will never solve this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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