Harnser Posted June 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 I noticed you are all happy to post snidey comments on a new thread but completely unable to contribute to my question about dogs and barley. Perhaps it would be better give those of us that don't know everything the benefit of your wisdom rather than assume that asking a question makes you inferior. I have never shot over barley, others have, so I asked a question and those generous enough with their knowledge and time answered - the consensus was that it is a bad idea so I have an answer and increased my knowledge. There is no reason at all why you shouldn't shoot over barley stubble with your dog . You should should check your dog over when you get home to see if there are any seeds. In between. The toes or any seed or ears of corn in the dogs ears . It's perfectly normal and safe to shoot over cereal stubble . Some times your dog is expected to hunt and retrieve on land that is different to your normal training ground . I would never encourage my dogs to jump wire fences , I have seen what they can do to deer . Harnser Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 (edited) Made me smile. On a serious note, do we shoot because we enjoy it or because we feel we owe a duty of care to the farmers ? I'm guessing that most people shoot because they enjoy it, so if that means we wait for nice weather to go shooting what's the problem ? It's not like we're getting paid for it. Very well put, although since I enjoy our little DIY wood shoot and wildfowling I prefer bad weather! Edited June 21, 2014 by Ttfjlc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 What with people frightened to drive their 4x4 through long grass ,frightened to work their dogs on barley stubble and frightened to use their guns in case they get them dirty . I despair . Harnser spot on colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 I think that if you have a 4x4 for shooting then you should use it to go to wherever you need to go, assuming it's not a dead cert you're going to end up stuck in a swamp. Otherwise why have one. However a dog is a completely different ball game. If there is a knowing chance your dog may be injured or get infected then you are a very irresponsible owner and in my view should not be allowed to keep dogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 I noticed you are all happy to post snidey comments on a new thread but completely unable to contribute to my question about dogs and barley. Perhaps it would be better give those of us that don't know everything the benefit of your wisdom rather than assume that asking a question makes you inferior. I have never shot over barley, others have, so I asked a question and those generous enough with their knowledge and time answered - the consensus was that it is a bad idea so I have an answer and increased my knowledge. I never posted about the dog and barley thing , as I don't have a gundog ,and would have not had an useful tips , I thought we was talking about the sort of people you see on some game shoots , that turn up in a pair of wellies that cost more than my car haha , they certainly look the part , and look like they have been dong it yrs , but alas no stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Glib Glibber thank god for online dictionary's ................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogcal Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 We are surely becoming a nation of pendants and and health and safety freaks . Harnser Surely you mean "pedants"! Not that I'm one. Sorry couldn't resist it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berettacocker Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 What with people frightened to drive their 4x4 through long grass ,frightened to work their dogs on barley stubble and frightened to use their guns in case they get them dirty . I despair . Harnser never mind that ,I'm scared I might spill my tea on the iPad while I'm armchair hunting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Live and let live BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Too sunny today Peace brothers, peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted June 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 What kind of land will your dog be working on . On my farms you will be working your dog on all cereal and rape stubbles ,the dog will be working very deep bramble cover, thorn hedge rows , fern covered woodland with wind blown trees ,some flint covered hard ground . The dog would be expected to retrieve from deep water ponds covered in weed and sedge . All of these can pose a danger to the dog . With proper handling the dog will face minimum danger . Yes dogs can get injured mainly through enthusiasism but it is very rare . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 I rather wilfully drove my 4x4 through an unfamiliar patch of long grass and weed. Seems to have been a bit of a dumping ground for large chunks of concrete that made a mess of my sill and drivers door as the car lifted it a little further out of the ground and eventually rolled over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 What with people frightened to drive their 4x4 through long grass ,frightened to work their dogs on barley stubble and frightened to use their guns in case they get them dirty . I despair . Harnser It really is horses for courses and not a matter of ' what is ever is shooting coming too'. When I'm beating I will wear boots and tough gaitors and not my lovely warm neoprene wellies that are better suited to winter mud. Sure, if your ramping around in the farms tatty 'to rough for road' landy then it doesn't matter if you half wreck it, sledge hammer and gas torch will fix most altercations, but many are using their pride and joy that the wife takes the kids to school in. Once again we have to take into account modern times and shooting is for pleasure and not survival with a lot of money being spent on expensive kit. Sorry Harnser but the days of Mackenzie Thorpe dragging his 'borrowed' shotgun wrapped in a hessian sack from a land drain then marching off to the marsh with his three legged half starved dog, who is only there cos its half starving too are gone. For the better ?????? well that just depends what's in yer larder today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Live and let live. I will not drive tall grass for hay but will on set aside, slow and carefully if I don't know what's there. My dog works cover and will be sent into retrieve in dense cover, he will also come out on stubble fields I prefer not to give him every retrieve and will bulk tidy up as I go, however he will be sent out to any runners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 We did have a thread were somebody was moaning because his nice new wellies were getting scratched in brambles . Harnser. Is that genuinely true!!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 There is no reason at all why you shouldn't shoot over barley stubble with your dog . You should should check your dog over when you get home to see if there are any seeds. In between. The toes or any seed or ears of corn in the dogs ears . It's perfectly normal and safe to shoot over cereal stubble . Some times your dog is expected to hunt and retrieve on land that is different to your normal training ground . I would never encourage my dogs to jump wire fences , I have seen what they can do to deer . Harnser Harnser Thank you for your answer, my question was really about shooting over standing barley rather than stubble but I appreciate your thoughts. In regards to what others will and won't do, I think its up to them, my guns are all second hand (at least) and pretty rough and get used in most weathers but if I had an expensive gun in mint condition I'd probably think carefully about where I took it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 I must admit, I have been thinking the same! I'm waiting for the " I've brought new wellies but I don't want to get them dirty" lol I'd be more inclined to want then as dirty as possible asap, so I didn't look like a sprog!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 I go shooting usually twice a week or more , I have been shooting pigeon for over 30 years now ,so like to think I have some idea, I have all the gear , perhaps too much of it . But it seems that as I care about the welfare of my dogs I am a armchair hunter , and do not exist in some peoples world . Well I really do not give much of a fig and will continue to use my dogs as I think is right , not how somebody else thinks I should. Mu dogs are not "gun dogs" as such, and my Mrs moans constantly, "Ooh are they going to get caught on that barbed wire fence" When they're out with me, if they aren't bleeding at the end of it I don't check then over.... Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Armchair hunters. +1 too busy telling stories on here, or offering outrages advice than going out shooting.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted June 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Thank you for your answer, my question was really about shooting over standing barley rather than stubble but I appreciate your thoughts. In regards to what others will and won't do, I think its up to them, my guns are all second hand (at least) and pretty rough and get used in most weathers but if I had an expensive gun in mint condition I'd probably think carefully about where I took it. Your dog will be fine picking up inlaid or standing barley . Just check the dog over when you get home . Don't let the dog hunt in the standing barley ,as he is likely to do more damage than good . Any bird that cannot be picked easily then just leave it where it is . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Your dog will be fine picking up inlaid or standing barley . Just check the dog over when you get home . Don't let the dog hunt in the standing barley ,as he is likely to do more damage than good . Any bird that cannot be picked easily then just leave it where it is . Harnser Many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 In some instances it looks as though the onset of hot weather has pushed the testosterone levels up a tad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I shoot in all weathers but I do have guns that only go out in good weather I also have a 4x4 that I use not only for shooting purposes but treat it with respect as I paid over 40k for it.as for the dogs we'll they go out wherever and whenever I go i do not want them getting hurt but as they love to hunt it is a risk that I am prepared to take and pick up the tab for at the vets if it goes wrong.i don't believe that just because someone pays a lot for their equipment and treats it with respect that it makes them soft in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Nothing wrong with treating equipment with respect, I believe you should, but why buy something for a particular purpose and then be scared of getting it muddy and crapped up. Don't understand why you would buy it in the first place. Should have bought something fit for the purpose, that's my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) Pet hate of mine (I seem to have a few to be honest), is folk using going shooting as an excuse for a 4x4 cross country expedition, chewing up the green lanes, rutting up the headlands, going through wet places deliberately, looks a complete mess for week afterwards. Once you get to your land, if it's wet, unless you can use bona fide hard topped farm tracks, park up and walk! Or get a vehicle with low pressure tyres more suitable for the job. Edited June 23, 2014 by scolopax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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