Zenduri Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) I'm currently doing insane amount of overtime at work and have been for the past 4 months (mainly paying stuff off) and I'm now booked in for additional guaranteed overtime up to my September payday which will net me another £800 after tax. I'm now in the market for a nice PCP air rifle. £800 is my top end for the RIFLE, ignore the cost of scope etc at this time. It needs to be a multi-shot rifle with option to swap it out for single shot for target work, Initially it will be for range and target work and eventually for vermin shooting too. I'm looking at a .177 too primarily due to the flatter trajectory. I like the styling of all 3 and I've had a chance to shoot with a Mk1 R10 so far. I'm also pushing towards the R10 because of the large shot count per fill. So far I've priced up the rifles (rifle only) BSA R10 Mk2 Bull Barrel: £699.99 HW 100S FSB: £749.99 Daystate Huntsman Regal: £808 I would appreciate thoughts and feedback from owners of any of the above please Edited August 24, 2014 by Zenduri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Never had a Daystate, but i had both the R10 and HW 100... stay clear of the R10 , do yourself a favour and get a HW100... the best hunting PCP on the market with the sleek and lighting fast lever action reloading system, 14 shot magazine, double load proof ,deadly accurate and single shot adaptors readly available. The FSB version with the extra Weihrauch silencer is the most quiet PCP out there as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenduri Posted August 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Never had a Daystate, but i had both the R10 and HW 100... stay clear of the R10 , do yourself a favour and get a HW100... the best hunting PCP on the market with the sleek and lighting fast lever action reloading system, 14 shot magazine, double load proof ,deadly accurate and single shot adaptors readly available. The FSB version with the extra Weihrauch silencer is the most quiet PCP out there as well... I have to ask why avoid the R10 Mk2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 I bought a brand new MK2, had problems with the magazine, accuracy and power inconsitency... got rid after 2 weeks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkgoose Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Hw100 fsb all the way!! I had a new r10 mk2 was great when it worked .... but had power problems , seals, knock of valves, mags, from day one but in all fairness they did fix it good but took 6 months to do it!! I had sold my hw100 fsb to buy the r100 as I dont like side leavers ! Now I wish I had kept my hw100 fsb was a more reliable rifle it never went wrong in the time I had it ! All I can say is yes the r10 has a better shot count but how many rabbits or targets are you going to shoot in a few hours? Get the hw 100 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryman Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 i have recently brought the HW 100, it has the new Laminate stock on it, very quiet, ultra smooth loading action and looks good to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1nut Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Hw100 all the way, I just bought one it really is a nice pcp to shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Of the 3 I would opt for the HW100 first-then the BSA -but might I suggest that you look at the Air Arms S510? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenduri Posted August 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Of the 3 I would opt for the HW100 first-then the BSA -but might I suggest that you look at the Air Arms S510? I guess we could throw the S510 into the ring too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 I got a Daystate Huntsman Classic and I gotta say it's one of the best PCP rifle I have ever owned and I have had quite a few PCP guns in the past! My mate Eccles on here just bought a Huntsman Regal and he loves it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 My Huntsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 sorry chaps but I can only agree with bullet boy, the huntsman classic is a superb piece of kit, its light , very accurate and a truelly excellent rifle to handle, shot count is not bad either, I owned a BSA r10mk2 and all I can say is it was a truelly excellent rifle,some people have had problems I know but the one I owned was totally faultless, I have shot the hw100 but instantly took a dislike to it due to having the side lever and also it felt very heavy to handle and I could not imagine humping one round all day hunting, imo get the huntsman classic or the regal whatever you prefer in .177 and you will fall in love with it, I sold my huntsman and my r10mk2 to buy a new wolverine b in .177 and if you can get ya hands on one of those then you will be very happy, don't get me wrong but the hw is an excellent rifle and has stood the test of time but it was not for me, well built I must say but way too heavy huntsman classic all day for me in .177 due to target work atb Evo My Huntsmanimage.jpg totally stunning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFreeman1310 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 I've had the r10 mk2 and it was a amazingly accurate rifle nice to hold in the hand only reason I sold was I lost my permission so had no need for rifle at the time. Also shot the daystate and I was more than pleased with it I would struggle to decide again never held or shot a hw so can't give any opinion on that good luck in your choice. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbower Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 HW100 Very accurate,but quite heavy to carry around the Field, and I have known a few to have problems,(both mine and my friends). BSA R10,Mk2 , Russian roulette with your money, you may get a good 'un , but then again? (mine spent many days in a parcel van ). Huntsman Classic , I always wanted one, so I sold a few of my others and bought one. What a,cracking gun , but It Just did not 'FIT' me. That's the only way I can explain it. When I shouldered it, ergonomically it just was not for me! (A mate who bought it loves it) I ended Up with an AA S410 carbine. It just feels like its a part of me, wonderfully light.,accurate, and with the HW Silencer very very quiet. I'm not looking for anything else, and that's alone is a commendation enough. ( i'm not suggesting you should get one). Try to handle as many as you can, its got to fit you ,its got to make you when you slip it out of its bag, and its got to be consistently,accurate. If that's one of your 'short list' , brilliant , it will save you a lot of money, looking for the "ideal" gun. Good hunting, and please let us know what you end up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenduri Posted August 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 At the moment I'm looking at it like this. Please feel free to correct me if i am wrong which i probably am Hw100 Pros: High capacity and simple design Magazine Great build quality Quick and easy fill port Cons: Not a fan of the side lever action Safety can only be applied when the rifle is cocked Heavier rifle Only a 12 month warranty BSA R10 Mk2 Pros: Preferred bolt action Higher shot capacity Quick and easy fill port plus option of removing the bottle Decent safety switch Modest 2 year warranty Cons: Issues with over all reliability are documented Magazine design isn't as reliable as a HW100 for example Daystate Huntsman Regal Pros: Preferred bolt action Very nice safety positioning and action Nice magazine system 3 year Warranty Cons: Lower shot capacity Most Expensive of the 3 Have read a lot of quality control issues as of late Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 HW PRO's also inc side action is easy to use and less effort to cock,the only thing I don't like are bolt actions,when shooting prone it's a pain to pull back and my hand has slipped and smacked me in the face, you can't double load, you only need saftey when gun loaded anyway. Above adverage shot count you forgot with the HW you get 2 mags and a silencer,add £100 to the regal to match that. CONS HW is heavy and not pretty. (I have sanded my HW stock and smothed out the angles,it looks a bit better) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBob Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Have a Weihrauch HW 100 KT, am absolutely blown away. Beautifully built, virtually silent and stunningly accurate. I do like Weihrauchs, having started with an HW35 and, latterly, a 97K with a Venom tune, but this is on a different level. The springers were accurate and powerful, but the recoil generated by the moving piston and the effort needed to cock it adversely affected accuracy. Not that the cocking was intrinsically heavy, rather it meant changing hand position and re-acquiring the point of aim. With the 100, it is possible to put all the pellets into a single hole at normal distances, I've chrono'd it and the variation is very low, shot to shot. Often the loudest sound is the pellet impact, this being especially notable when shooting the older gun alongside. I'm fortunate to live outside town, where locals are less fussy about gunshots, but for suburban gardens the low noise signature is important. Would recommend trying all on the wish list before buying. Any decent shop will let you try them out first. I bought mine from The Countrystore, Shustoke near Coleshill, where I found really excellent service and the opportunity to try the guns out on a little air rifle range behind the shop. (Usual disclaimers, I like Mark and Tessa and especially the young lad in there, Matthew, who's a tremendous character.) Happy shooting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 I've only shot the HW100KT but since owning one it's been faultless. I primarily got it so my boys can shoot it but its so heavy they only shoot off a bipod (they are still quite young). I only use it with them for target practice or around the farm buildings and would not want to go out walking with it because of the weight. If I wanted it for hunting I would probably get a lighter gun. Another reason I went for that was because its ambidextrous and my kids are opposites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 HW PRO's also inc side action is easy to use and less effort to cock,the only thing I don't like are bolt actions well that's you knackered for rimfire and hmr or anything else for that matter,when shooting prone it's a pain to pull back and my hand has slipped and smacked me in the face well get hold of the thing properly you can't double load, you only need saftey when gun loaded anyway.what a silly comment, you would never be out shooting with me as the safety is permanently on until I,m about to pull the trigger loaded or not Above adverage shot count you forgot with the HW you get 2 mags and a silencer,add £100 to the regal to match that. CONS HW is heavy and not pretty. (I have sanded my HW stock and smothed out the angles,it looks a bit better) can I just say I have pointed a few things out and replied in red,now to get back on topic,, I don't know what gun retromic was trying to cock when he smashed himself in the face but it certainly was not a daystate, on all THREE of the daystates I have Owned and also the BSA r10mk2 and the AA s410 I have only had to hold the bolt between my finger and thumb, as for the daystates it was totally effortless and super smooth, after using and owning three daystate rifles I wont spend my hard earned cash on anything else now, they are the dogs danglies when it comes to air rifles,,,IMO of coarse good luck with you choice but if I had a £1000 in my pocket then it would be for a Daystate Airwolf .177 second hand atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corkycorksta Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Hw100 - so very accurate and extremely well made. Yes it's a bit heavy but otherwise a fantastic bit of kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenduri Posted August 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 can I just say I have pointed a few things out and replied in red,now to get back on topic,, I don't know what gun retromic was trying to cock when he smashed himself in the face but it certainly was not a daystate, on all THREE of the daystates I have Owned and also the BSA r10mk2 and the AA s410 I have only had to hold the bolt between my finger and thumb, as for the daystates it was totally effortless and super smooth, after using and owning three daystate rifles I wont spend my hard earned cash on anything else now, they are the dogs danglies when it comes to air rifles,,,IMO of coarse good luck with you choice but if I had a £1000 in my pocket then it would be for a Daystate Airwolf .177 second hand atb Evo Ive read alot of issues with daystate bolts sticking or jamming of late due to QC issues, alot on a daystate owners forum too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 You will be able to find well documented faults with pretty much any type of gun. If you flick through the history on the air gunning section, you will find a whole host of problems with the HW100 mostly about pressure loss on brand new guns, one or two terrible experiences with Daystate - and their occasionally ropey customer service - as well as the usual anti-R10 brigade. Even the old favourite the S410 suffers from an occasionally fragile magazine indexing, as well as all the other vexations that go with a PCP like leaking seals. Personally, I wouldn't have any other gun except my R10. It's been tuned, admittedly, but it's a great gun and suits me perfectly. I've written a complete run down on the whole thing on airriflereviews.co.uk ( http://www.airriflereviews.co.uk/airgun-reviews/bsa-r10-mk-ll ) which you might want to have a read of, but it's a great gun and well worth it - especially if you're thinking of going down the second hand market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 (edited) Evo, sorry but you have made some dumb *** comments, I don't remember commenting I want to shoot MHR Rrifles,so why say that? I didn't make the HW100 unable to have a safety on when unloaded? If they made it like that and they sell thousands I guess it's safe to have it in that format. The rifle with the rubbish bolt was a BSA UltraSE, AND thank **** I don't get the chance to shoot with you, you're clearly an idiot Edited August 26, 2014 by retromlc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Is that true about the HW safety?? Hmmm not convinced about that idea at all. I'd rather be in the habit of always having it on, then take it off to shoot. Not sure anything that encourages a shooter into assuming a gun is empty is sensible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Another vote for the HW100. They are superbly engineered and very, very accurate. The Huntsman is lighter, but it is definitely 'old technology' in comparison to the Weihrauch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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