crowdie2013 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 oil fund ? the way the present scottish government msps waste money ? thier own building =overspend,the trams =overspend 400m short on nhs , etc etc and you expect them to be responsable ? scaremongering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgguinness Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 They havnt agreed to what extra powers Scotland would get. All that has been agreed is a timeframe which frankly shows the contempt for the Scottish people. Just a question but...Why should Scotland get extra powers if the 'No' vote gets the majority tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 It would be interesting to see what happens if there is a yes vote. Salmond is talking about not contributing to the national debt. If it is accepted that he would do this, what is to stop the Government saying - fair enough, but on the first day of independence - you are on your own. No prior negotiation about shared resources, no Army, no Navy, no Embassies, no HMRC, no DWP, no currency - just sort it out yourselves. It could get very messy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowdie2013 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Just a question but...Why should Scotland get extra powers if the 'No' vote gets the majority tomorrow? to allow the final decision for expenditure on for eg creating jobs and the NHS to be undertaken by the Scottish government. As it stands, Scotland gets a proportionate share of UK spend so the more privatisation south of the border has a knock on effect of what Scotland gets. Westminster in the spring of this year announced budget cuts of over £35 billion so less to go around and the Scottish governments hands are tied to an extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graiglearn Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) scaremongering! another denial af facts ? covered by the same excuse ! if you take the scaremongering word away there would be no excuses at all for a total bunch of wasters as for 35million cuts across nhs ,scotland has a black hole of 400million ,do you really think the present overspend can be covered by pie in the sky tax raising without severe pressure on the poorest and total reversal of the freebies we get ? Edited September 17, 2014 by graiglearn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowdie2013 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 It would be interesting to see what happens if there is a yes vote. Salmond is talking about not contributing to the national debt. If it is accepted that he would do this, what is to stop the Government saying - fair enough, but on the first day of independence - you are on your own. No prior negotiation about shared resources, no Army, no Navy, no Embassies, no HMRC, no DWP, no currency - just sort it out yourselves. It could get very messy. hopefully it doesn't; regardless of the outcome Westminster must now realise that how the UK is currently run doesn't work and the whole thing needs modernised across the board. With regard to national debt; the Scottish government wants to pay its fair share but Westminster said that Scotland wouldn't get their share of UK assests and salmond was saying you cant have it both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgguinness Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 But Scotland already has powers to this to some extend now anyway, so whats to say Scotland should have more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowdie2013 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 another denial af facts ? covered by the same excuse ! if you take the scaremongering word away there would be no excuses at all for a total bunch of wasters its not a denial - overspend is a common occurrence with governments. You did know of course that London olympics alone overspent by 12 billion pounds? The London Millenium Dome overspend was such that it was broke before it opened and is thought to have cost £900 per household in the UK to balance the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 hopefully it doesn't; regardless of the outcome Westminster must now realise that how the UK is currently run doesn't work and the whole thing needs modernised across the board. With regard to national debt; the Scottish government wants to pay its fair share but Westminster said that Scotland wouldn't get their share of UK assests and salmond was saying you cant have it both ways. Honest question for you - will you be renouncing your UK citizenship in the event that Scotland becomes independent and offers a Scottish passport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) It would be interesting to see what happens if there is a yes vote. Salmond is talking about not contributing to the national debt. If it is accepted that he would do this, what is to stop the Government saying - fair enough, but on the first day of independence - you are on your own. No prior negotiation about shared resources, no Army, no Navy, no Embassies, no HMRC, no DWP, no currency - just sort it out yourselves. It could get very messy. Indeed, I don't think we have the calibre of politicians (in power) either side of the border to sort this out if there is a No vote. There has been no planning, they have all made it up as they have gone along. No doubt they will say "we couldn't have forseen this". Edited September 17, 2014 by TriBsa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graiglearn Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 its not a denial - overspend is a common occurrence with governments. You did know of course that London olympics alone overspent by 12 billion pounds? The London Millenium Dome overspend was such that it was broke before it opened and is thought to have cost £900 per household in the UK to balance the books. I take it by your financal powerss you are one of the bankers or advisers that caused the last recession ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 JUST A THOUGHT............... Instead of all this bitterness between England and Scotland that has over the years developed.....shouldnt we be saying to them "okay you want to go it alone.....persude all your people that it would be benificial for both of us to do so...mindful we we give you all the help you need to do so, to see you get started and continue well" then all this rubbish between "us and them" will stop...they will become precious trading partners and firm trustworthy friends and possibly a closer bond will develope between the 2 countries sounds airy fairey...might just work tho !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgguinness Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) JUST A THOUGHT............... Instead of all this bitterness between England and Scotland that has over the years developed.....shouldnt we be saying to them "okay you want to go it alone.....persude all your people that it would be benificial for both of us to do so...mindful we we give you all the help you need to do so, to see you get started and continue well" then all this rubbish between "us and them" will stop...they will become precious trading partners and firm trustworthy friends and possibly a closer bond will develope between the 2 countries sounds airy fairey...might just work tho !! Decent answer. Seems crazy that if it comes down to the wire 51/49% split like the media are suggesting, either way there will be around 2.85M pee'd off people in Scotland alone. Edited September 17, 2014 by jgguinness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 crowdie2013, on 17 Sept 2014 - 1:00 PM, said:cant you reply without throwing in an insult or 2? Your Westminster government has forced the hand and the sovereign will of the Scottish people will prevail one way or another. Pay heid to the Edinburgh Agreement; come Friday we all should accept the majority decision whether we like it or not. I can respond without jokes, but it's too easy to get a rise out of you. Perhaps you can brick my windows or heckle me, which appears to be the Yes method of addressing anybody not following the SNP script? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Sadly, I think that will just be child's play if the 'No' vote carries it. I can respond without jokes, but it's too easy to get a rise out of you. Perhaps you can brick my windows or heckle me, which appears to be the Yes method of addressing anybody not following the SNP script? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 The Yes campaign have shown their true colours and they are not pleasant. Salmond will try to minimise what has happened, but he should look in a mirror to find the culprit. Then again, it would depend on which face he was using at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowdie2013 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Honest question for you - will you be renouncing your UK citizenship in the event that Scotland becomes independent and offers a Scottish passport? I would but Id want my moneys worth out of this UK one first having just renewed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowdie2013 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 I take it by your financal powerss you are one of the bankers or advisers that caused the last recession ? haha - yep my fault entirely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 haha - yep my fault entirely Well perhaps not your fault personally but there was a Scot at the helm at the time... just saying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 I would but Id want my moneys worth out of this UK one first having just renewed! Said like a true Scotsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Honest question for you - will you be renouncing your UK citizenship in the event that Scotland becomes independent and offers a Scottish passport? He wont have to! if they vote yes as I dearly hope they do then they wont be in the united kingdom,they will be on their tod not in the EU not in the UK, but they really can have their own tartan army :lol: KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 This debate on PW has been great, yes we may have different opinions not only between north and south of the border of the topics mentioned but also between fellow Scots. It will, no matter what the result (imo) change a lot of things in Scotland and opinions will vary whither good or bad. I am sure over the next 24 - 36 hrs the debate tempo will rise even more both on this forum and others and no doubt peoples temper and patience will be tried. I have watched and read the comments and I decided early on not to enter get into debates with other PW members. I have in other posts voiced my opinion and the vote `NO` that I am going to cast. When I wake up early on Friday I wont be listening to the news, I will be going down the foreshore to enjoy my freedom. I would at this point, like to thank the mod`s for allowing the discussion & debate to go on this long and I hope it will continue with frank and open good banter up to and beyond the 18th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 JUST A THOUGHT............... Instead of all this bitterness between England and Scotland that has over the years developed.....shouldnt we be saying to them "okay you want to go it alone.....persude all your people that it would be benificial for both of us to do so...mindful we we give you all the help you need to do so, to see you get started and continue well" then all this rubbish between "us and them" will stop...they will become precious trading partners and firm trustworthy friends and possibly a closer bond will develope between the 2 countries sounds airy fairey...might just work tho !! I'll have some of what your on. This has been going on for centuries and won't stop no matter what we did for them. Best thing they can do is if yes do it all by themselves, fail or flourish without any interference by us. If they flourished and we helped it would then be said it was through us that they done well, if they fail and we also tried to help it would be our fault. Best for us to stay out of it, completely out as it's no longer our buisness if they vote yes. Figgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 the question really should be what will Westminster do, in the event of a yes vote and their oil feed suddenly stops in 18 months time?? Hence the mass panic by all 3 main leaders in the last 2 weeks. They havnt agreed to what extra powers Scotland would get. All that has been agreed is a timeframe which frankly shows the contempt for the Scottish people. The Scottish Governments hand was forced when Westminster would not allow the Devo Max question and would only allow a yes/no vote. I truly believe that had devo max been an option the majority of scots would have gone for that and the UK would have remained. If they're panicking it's probably because they overestimated the average intelligence of the Scottish people and didn't believe they could be fooled by SNPs lies and their utter lack of a credible plan..... guess all that Buckfast guzzling has taken a heavy toll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 its not a denial - overspend is a common occurrence with governments. You did know of course that London olympics alone overspent by 12 billion pounds? The London Millenium Dome overspend was such that it was broke before it opened and is thought to have cost £900 per household in the UK to balance the books. £12bn overspend on the Olympics? Really? Are you sure you have your currency correct? The official budget was set in 2007 (not when the bid was made) at £9.35bn. The actual costs quoted were £8.77bn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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