ack-ack Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 90% of the working class are voting for Nigel Farage,where did you get that statistic from? Nigel Farage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) I dont know where the 90% came from but it seems the % is enough to worry the human turbot! "Ed Miliband is facing demands to promote Northern working class politicians to the shadow cabinet and overhaul his immigration policy after the party came within a few hundred votes of a humiliating by-election defeat. Northern Labour MPs are calling the near loss of Heywood and Middleton to a resurgent Ukip a "wake-up call" for the leader which proves relying solely on the NHS to win votes will lead to electoral defeat in 2015. Mr Miliband's decision to build a front bench in his "own image" has created a "London-centric view" at the top of the party which is totally disconnected with working class voters, according to one Labour MP, echoing claims by Ukip. Others have demanded the party harden its position on Europe, borders and a welfare state that lets people "take out before they put in" to counter the appeal of Nigel Farage's anti-Establishment movement". Edited October 13, 2014 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Ed will now be demanding prospective MPs own a whippet and prefer beef dripping to cooking oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Ed will now be demanding prospective MPs own a whippet and prefer beef dripping to cooking oil. mmmmmmmmmm dripping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Maybe because he will, one day, rule this country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Ed - Prime Minister - you're 'avin' a larf. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 All the bookmakers seem to think so at this moment in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Ed - Prime Minister - you're 'avin' a larf. :lol: VOTE FOR NIGE..........keep all them Ebolan's out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Ed - Prime Minister - you're 'avin' a larf. :lol: Very likely, even more so if former Tory voters keep backing UKIP. As I've said before, if there isn't an outright labour win next year then there will be a lib/lab coalition. But Nigel won't mind one bit as he will still have his referendum to chase, which he wouldn't have if the Tories were to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Very likely, even more so if former Tory voters keep backing UKIP. As I've said before, if there isn't an outright labour win next year then there will be a lib/lab coalition. But Nigel won't mind one bit as he will still have his referendum to chase, which he wouldn't have if the Tories were to win. serious question how will it be a lib lab? where are the lib MP's coming from? they will soon be as rare as a unicorn. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Having voted Conservative in every election since 1964 I will too give Nigel a try this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Very likely, even more so if former Tory voters keep backing UKIP. As I've said before, if there isn't an outright labour win next year then there will be a lib/lab coalition. But Nigel won't mind one bit as he will still have his referendum to chase, which he wouldn't have if the Tories were to win. As things stand I can see that being the case as well, the kippers will take some of the Labour vote, but the majority will be from the traditional Conservative voters. The Lib voters are certainly not going to back the kippers and although they have had a torrid time they wont lose all their seats and will still be the 3rd largest party. I suspect it will be a hung parliament again and the likelihood is that it will be a Lab/Lib pact, albeit with a small majority. The recent warning signs of a slowing economy globally, which will almost certainly have an impact on the UK recovery, may well increase support for the tories as they are the most trusted on the economy and if they start to take a harder line on immigration then that might change things around again. In any respect 9 months is a long time and will be fascinating to watch the dynamics as the election gets closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Very likely, even more so if former Tory voters keep backing UKIP. It's not as simple as that. One thing that was hardly mentioned at the Clacton by election was that the Labour party suffered massively too. Even though they were buoyed up by the Lib Dem vote (who, incidentally lost their deposit), the Labour party lost nigh on 60% of it's vote. The 'vote UKIP get Labour' line will be trotted out more and more as the GE approaches, but if that's all Cameron's got he'd better start packing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 I'd have money on an outright Libour win with possibly as little as 30% of the votes. With more parties and the first past the post system we have this is a distinct possiblity. It will be difficult for UKIP to get more than a handful of seats Regardless of the fact that the majority of the population probably want looser ties to Europe , Libour will engineer it that we will be closer aligned to Europe with ties that we will never be able to break. The problem is that in any other other country there would be riots on the streets for such a blatant disgregard for the majority but the English aren't like that. We'll just moan about it as the country plummets downhill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) It's not as simple as that. One thing that was hardly mentioned at the Clacton by election was that the Labour party suffered massively too. Even though they were buoyed up by the Lib Dem vote (who, incidentally lost their deposit), the Labour party lost nigh on 60% of it's vote. The 'vote UKIP get Labour' line will be trotted out more and more as the GE approaches, but if that's all Cameron's got he'd better start packing!! Your right, it's not that simple. The turnout for the by-election was about 8000 less than the GE in 2010. Given there was a huge majority for Carswell in 2010 did the majority of the Labour vote just not bother turning out? it is difficult to draw any conclusions in the share of the vote as so many variables at play. By-elections are also a very different animal from GE's, the voting intention can be very different. There may be some good polling results that give a better indication, but for now all we can really say is that Carswell was a popular local politician who retained his share of the vote. Edited October 13, 2014 by grrclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 guilty till proved innocent in your book then? keep on voting for known troughers then if that's what you want. KW told you before im a undecided voter and yes im afraid i will always assume the worst of politicians as even you know they are all at it you said so a million times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Poontang - :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 I think old Nige and his lot will cause quite a stir at the next general election . I shall give them a try . Harnser they will probably do quite well i would not be surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) I must admit I have been swayed towards UKIP, I have had a look at their policies and I like almost all of them, I just cant square the issue of leaving the EU I am happy to enter renegotiations and have an EU light, retain the trade agreements scrap the meddling & taxation. Boarder control and immigration are spot on as are UKIP`s values on a fair days pay for a fair days work. They do need to have some sort of succession planning in place for Nigel Farage. And what policies are they pray tell..... other than total alienation of anything non white and English...Vote for Farage and his UKIP misfits at your peril...but don't come running back to mummy bleating when the proverbial hits the fan...exports dry up, the economy falters, we are rejected by Europe (not the other way round ) The NHS collapses and interest rates soar. Why everyone thinks that a failed Tory bigot who spends most of his time in the pub and his bunch of cross party rejects is the new messiah and the apostles is totally beyond me. A vote for UKIP at the next election in favour of one of the other mainstream parties is an absolute and utter waste in my opinion. I think there will be a shock at or before the next election.. William Hague is set to retire from Parliament in 2015 but I have a sneaking suspicion ( as us racing connoisseurs would say ) he's got one big handicap left in him. Edited October 13, 2014 by Fisherman Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 I can't comprehend why people keep slagging UKIP - calling them misfits. Are they genuinely saying that Farage is better at selling his policies, or even lack of them, than the other leaders. As UKIP rise, the panic starts. Predictable but quite sad. :innocent: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Why everyone thinks that a failed Tory bigot who spends most of his time in the pub and his bunch of cross party rejects is the new messiah and the apostles is totally beyond me. Cause he's in touch with the electorate at ground level, unlike the cretins that are in now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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peck Posted October 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 I still do not see why he is getting so much attention, i thought the tv and papers were supposed to give equal time to all parties of equal standing, UKIP have just 1 MP so how come some of the other parties who have more PMs than them hardly get a mention. ? It seems that every time you turn on the telly or open a newspaper it all about Farage, Farage, Farage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 And what policies are they pray tell..... other than total alienation of anything non white and English...Vote for Farage and his UKIP misfits at your peril...but don't come running back to mummy bleating when the proverbial hits the fan...exports dry up, the economy falters, we are rejected by Europe (not the other way round ) The NHS collapses and interest rates soar. Why everyone thinks that a failed Tory bigot who spends most of his time in the pub and his bunch of cross party rejects is the new messiah and the apostles is totally beyond me. A vote for UKIP at the next election in favour of one of the other mainstream parties is an absolute and utter waste in my opinion. I think there will be a shock at or before the next election.. William Hague is set to retire from Parliament in 2015 but I have a sneaking suspicion ( as us racing connoisseurs would say ) he's got one big handicap left in him. So I am supposed to vote for one of the two parties that I do not agree with ether of them and that is democracy not in my book I vote for what I think is rite not the not the one that I dislike the least you will say that I have wasted my vote but as I see it a vote is never wasted if you are voting for something that you think is rite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Part of the establishment hatchet job. UKIP are a serious threat to the political status quo and since the main parties have failed to convince the electorate otherwise, the smear campaign begins. Look at last nights Panorama......biased is not the word but hey ho, at least while they are slagging off Nigel, tho other parties can continue covering up their sex scandals and other minor issues that the BBC don't warrant newsworthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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