fieldcraft Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Been shooting theses fields for the past 8 years near standlake and Kingston bagpuize and now its all changed hands and the farmers are xxxxx me and dad set up a promising amount of birds on rape. up pulls a Jeep pack your stuff up. no shooting on here anymore for anyone so packed up cycled home. Thanks a bunch u toffe nosed xxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Really upsetting when you have put a lot of work in. Hope you can get a new place soon with a bit more security of use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud 20 Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Been shooting theses fields for the past 8 years near standlake and Kingston bagpuize and now its all changed hands and the farmers are xxxxx me and dad set up a promising amount of birds on rape. up pulls a Jeep pack your stuff up. no shooting on here anymore for anyone so packed up cycled home. Thanks a bunch u toffe nosed xxxx hope something comes up for u guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berettacocker Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Maybe you should have introduced yourself to the new farmer before you started shooting, you might still be there now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Things can move very fast with the change of land/shooting rights ownership. I have had three change in the last 12 months, but by keeping in touch with whats happening, I have been able to retain permission on all three grounds. I hope you and your father get something sorted out soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 Knock on a few doors over Hinton Waldrist..Duxford...Buckland way...I fish the Thames there a lot during the winter and there are always loads of pigeons about. I spoke to one of the Farmers at Buckland a couple of years ago and he said he would love to have someone to come and keep the pigeons away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 Maybe you should have introduced yourself to the new farmer before you started shooting, you might still be there now! +1. If land changes hands, then your permission doesn't automatically continue. You seem to feel you have 'the right' to shoot this land. It is a permission, and it can be revoked at any time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longstrider Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 How did you not know about the change of ownership/tenancy on the land ? I never shoot any of my permissions without first contacting the farmer via phone or text and receiving confirmation that it's Ok for me to shoot that day. A quick word with the original owner/tenant occasionally beforehand and you would probably have been told of the change coming. Did you never speak to the chap whose land you've been shooting all this time ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldcraft Posted November 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Never needed to phone him they were good like that we could go when ever and wherever we wanted they went bust and we didn't no until the new landowner came up to us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Never needed to phone him they were good like that we could go when ever and wherever we wanted they went bust and we didn't no until the new landowner came up to us Count yourself lucky. They could just as easily have called the police instead of approaching you, and you'd currently be on bail for armed trespass, probably with your guns in the police armoury for the next 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Count yourself lucky. They could just as easily have called the police instead of approaching you, and you'd currently be on bail for armed trespass, probably with your guns in the police armoury for the next 6 months. I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 I doubt it. Really ? All the landowner (or their agent) saw was someone with firearms, on their property without permission. As a landowner myself, unless I was carrying one of my own firearms with me at the time, I'd be thinking very carefully as to approaching or calling the police out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Been shooting theses fields for the past 8 years near standlake and Kingston bagpuize and now its all changed hands and the farmers are xxxxx me and dad set up a promising amount of birds on rape. up pulls a Jeep pack your stuff up. no shooting on here anymore for anyone so packed up cycled home. Thanks a bunch u toffe nosed xxxx You need to improve your communication skills with your farmers in order to retain your shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastair0903 Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Really ? All the landowner (or their agent) saw was someone with firearms, on their property without permission. As a landowner myself, unless I was carrying one of my own firearms with me at the time, I'd be thinking very carefully as to approaching or calling the police out. So you would only approach a shooter possibly without permission if you were armed ? Are we in America ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilts#Dave Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Count yourself lucky. They could just as easily have called the police instead of approaching you, and you'd currently be on bail for armed trespass, probably with your guns in the police armoury for the next 6 months. Ridiculously over the top comment....as a country person you couldn't tell the difference between two chaps out decoying and an armed terrorist or something? Do you advise the police on how to react in situations like that by any chance, same sort of uninformed reaction they're known for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 So you would only approach a shooter possibly without permission if you were armed ? Are we in America ? How could someone shooting be 'possibly' without permission ? It's my land. I own it. Either they've got permission, or they haven't. I know the 2 people who've got permission to shoot it. Anyone else on there with firearms, it's armed trespass. I've had ... travelling people ... shall we say, on my land shooting in the past. They got quite aggressive about it when asked to leave. Fortunately a neighbour was out on their fields, and they called the police (very rural, on a windless day you can talk to someone or hear someone talking a few hundred yards away). The people had no SGCs, criminal convictions going back to the year dot, were prohibited persons, etc. In addition, the shotguns they had were stolen, and one of their dogs they had 'found' (it was chipped, so the proper owner got it back) So yes, if it happened in the future, and I was out there, I would observe, and I would most likely only approach if I was armed. If not, I'd call the police, and let the ARU deal with it. It's not being gung-ho. It's being sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12boreblue Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 There would be a good legal argument that the permission holders had not been informed by the previous owner that the farm had changed hands and that the permission had been revoked. The solicitors should have advised both parties of there duty to consider any shooting permissions in place and take action. Therefore one would argue that they had not trespassed as they were unaware the land had changed hands. The new owners could have been a little more delicate in their revocation...that's if they actually were the new owners! did you check? might of been chaps after the permission! I would send a polite letter to the new owner informing them of the verbal instruction, and ask to clarify in writing, and offer the service should they require it in the future. If they are planting crops they will change their minds that's for sure, so be ready to fill the post! And always get your permission in writing as without it you cannot defend your position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berettacocker Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 Really ? All the landowner (or their agent) saw was someone with firearms, on their property without permission. As a landowner myself, unless I was carrying one of my own firearms with me at the time, I'd be thinking very carefully as to approaching or calling the police out. that's it get the armed response unit, and the " copter " out. We don't want people sitting in hedgerows shooting pigeons. You never know what they might be doing !!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 There would be a good legal argument that the permission holders had not been informed by the previous owner that the farm had changed hands and that the permission had been revoked. The solicitors should have advised both parties of there duty to consider any shooting permissions in place and take action. Therefore one would argue that they had not trespassed as they were unaware the land had changed hands. The new owners could have been a little more delicate in their revocation...that's if they actually were the new owners! did you check? might of been chaps after the permission! I would send a polite letter to the new owner informing them of the verbal instruction, and ask to clarify in writing, and offer the service should they require it in the future. If they are planting crops they will change their minds that's for sure, so be ready to fill the post! And always get your permission in writing as without it you cannot defend your position. The OP could try that and hope that the new owner hasn't read the abuse in the first post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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