malkiserow Posted December 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 because he's running a business and paying jurys isn't his problem and he may have to pay someone to pick up the slack while the employees away could be the answer NO I will end up with a backlog or doing the work in the nights anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 just tell them all about your inner squirrel at the first opportunity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketestace Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 Just get it done ! Loosing out on a few dollars could quite possibly do some good for a change ? Bta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 Its funny how everyone is all for people being sent to court when they do bad things as long as it does not affect us having said that can you begin to think what it would be like to have to be on a jury and have to see all of the gory things like what fred west did to people I do not think that I could ever sleep again if I had to sit through that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 Said I was stressed and had high blood pressure. Let me off that time. Don't know if it would work a second time It would if you said it was the thought of going into Court that caused the high blood pressure ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 I wonder how many of the people thinking up pathetic excuses realise that the Police visit the Forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted December 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 just tell them all about your inner squirrel at the first opportunity Don't mess with the inner squirrel Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 No one is suggesting doing anything illegal to avoid jury service, but just so the holier than thou brigade (who have probably never even done it) get a taste for it, I have dug out some words I just found some words from the first two days of the last stint I did, we had 6 days of this.... _________________________________________________________ So, it started today. I arrived at 8:30 as that is when my train got me there. Sat around for fours hours reading and trying not to get too bored. At 12:30 I was selected to sit on a case, but not at the court we were at, another across the other side of town 14 of us were marched over there, 12 picked (me included) and sworn in. At that point the Judge decided it wasn't worth starting so we broke for lunch for and hour and half. Returned to hear the charge but as part of the evidence was video based we were all set to watch that but the video was broken, so the Judge called it a day at 3pm. Tomorrow is the first day of the new Legal Year apparently, so she has a function to attend, so our 'day' will start at 3pm and finish at no later than 4:30pm Hardly surprising you hear of cases dragging on for months if this the amount of time they spend actually doing anything. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________ As someone said at the time, if this was business it wouldn't last the first month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 I found it quite efficient. I was gobsmacked that they could get 12 random people together, on time everyday and deliver a verdict at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 I wonder how many of the people thinking up pathetic excuses realise that the Police visit the Forum. who cares chatting ******** on a forum isnt illegal im sure the police have better things to do you worry to much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 who cares chatting ******* on a forum isnt illegal im sure the police have better things to do you worry to much half the members are coppers, so perhaps they dont have better things to do. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 overandunder2012 - I don't worry at all. I'm not the one posting fabricated excuses. Just for the record - the jury system works on people doing their duty properly. It isn't perfect, but if upstanding licence holders can't be bothered to turn up, have they ever considered who is dispensing justice in their absence? Have a laugh until one of your friends or relatives is on the wrong end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBeaky Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 Its funny how everyone is all for people being sent to court when they do bad things as long as it does not affect us having said that can you begin to think what it would be like to have to be on a jury and have to see all of the gory things like what fred west did to people I do not think that I could ever sleep again if I had to sit through that. I didn't sleep well for a couple of months after my first jury service - it wasn't very pleasant. But as someone mentioned above, the jury system relies on people doing their civic duty for it to work, so when i got called the second time, I went again - and now there are a couple of pubs locally that I will not *ever* visit. You want civil rights, you have to accept the civil responsibilities that go with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted December 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 You want civil rights, you have to accept the civil responsibilities that go with them. I happen to agree with this..... But also FairPlay and no loss of earnings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 I must say that I do have my doubts about the jury system as some people will believe everything that the police say is correct others will think the opposite then you get black white women men getting 12 people to agree on anything is very hard. I tend to like the idea of three judges as they will / should not be so easy for these highly paid barristers to twist around there little fingers as they do but having said that the judges are the establishment so would now doubt be on the side of the powers that be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 (edited) four-wheel-drive - fair point, about having judges rather than a jury. Not sure if they would be on the side of the "establishment" though. Immigration judges seem on the opposite side. . Edited December 4, 2014 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fella Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 No one is suggesting doing anything illegal to avoid jury service, but just so the holier than thou brigade (who have probably never even done it) get a taste for it, I have dug out some words I just found some words from the first two days of the last stint I did, we had 6 days of this.... _________________________________________________________ So, it started today. I arrived at 8:30 as that is when my train got me there. Sat around for fours hours reading and trying not to get too bored. At 12:30 I was selected to sit on a case, but not at the court we were at, another across the other side of town 14 of us were marched over there, 12 picked (me included) and sworn in. At that point the Judge decided it wasn't worth starting so we broke for lunch for and hour and half. Returned to hear the charge but as part of the evidence was video based we were all set to watch that but the video was broken, so the Judge called it a day at 3pm. Tomorrow is the first day of the new Legal Year apparently, so she has a function to attend, so our 'day' will start at 3pm and finish at no later than 4:30pm Hardly surprising you hear of cases dragging on for months if this the amount of time they spend actually doing anything. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________ As someone said at the time, if this was business it wouldn't last the first month That comes as no surprise to me whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) One thing that I can never understand why everything has to take so long guy turns up at court charged with shooting someone five people say that they sow him do it man found guilty and sent to gale two hours max everyone home in time for tea. Or have I been watching to many cowboy films. :whistling: Edited December 5, 2014 by four-wheel-drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 overandunder2012 - I don't worry at all. I'm not the one posting fabricated excuses. Just for the record - the jury system works on people doing their duty properly. It isn't perfect, but if upstanding licence holders can't be bothered to turn up, have they ever considered who is dispensing justice in their absence? Have a laugh until one of your friends or relatives is on the wrong end. All very well but people do have bills to pay and kids to feed! The current system of claiming a very limited amount back for lost earnings is a joke, employers should be forced to do their bit for the justice system by not penalising their staff for doing their civic duty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) half the members are coppers, so perhaps they dont have better things to do. KW Most are probably sat around in some court somewhere waiting for jury members to turn up so trial can start Edited December 5, 2014 by ozzy518 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 CPS update the loss of earnings figure every year, but I have to say that the rates would not compensate many workers. It should be what you have genuinely lost, although some might well start to inflate the losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 I wouldn't mind doing jury duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 All very well but people do have bills to pay and kids to feed! The current system of claiming a very limited amount back for lost earnings is a joke, employers should be forced to do their bit for the justice system by not penalising their staff for doing their civic duty! A lot of companies do make up the difference. I thought all did but clearly not. Would be interested to know how many do/don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Many complicated fraud cases should be tried in front of judges, the Maxwell case was an example where it was said that the jurors were not able to understand the information before them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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