Scully Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Edit to add: I wonder if the Jeremy Vine show would be interested in picking this up as a debate on his show, it has all the right ingredients. An arrogant councillor, ex military, polarised opinions of pro/anti shooting, a ridiculously insensitive social media comment. It sounds perfect for the show to be honest. Excellent idea. In the radio interview he stated that he was opposed to killing 'full stop', but obviously not if he can profit from it...unless he's selling his full english breakfasts at cost of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomov Posted December 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 I would imagine his views are very liberal, just like the party he represents. Did you miss this bit? http://www.liberal.org.uk/policies/animal.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepThought Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 I would say Peskyfoxs that you have absolutely focussed your energies in the right way and more power to your elbow for doing so. I think that is a much better option than writing nonsense in trip advisor, even if it does feel good for a wee minute or two. I would imagine his views are very liberal, just like the party he represents. I don't expect that he would fit in well with a lot of our off topic discussions !! Have to agree on the TripAdvisor thing, entertaining as it is, the last thing we need is to make a victim out of this guy. You just know that he'd start spouting all manner of nonsense about this group of fascist, gun toting lunatics trying to ruin him for standing up for what he believes in. It'd probably get half a page in the Mirror. We've had the moral high ground from the outset and should retain it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Did you miss this bit? http://www.liberal.org.uk/policies/animal.htm I'm puzzled with your question. What has the Liberal party policies on animal welfare got to do with my post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 I'm puzzled with your question. What has the Liberal party policies on animal welfare got to do with my post? Re-read the first paragraph of your post #167 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomov Posted December 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 I'm puzzled with your question. What has the Liberal party policies on animal welfare got to do with my post? You said " I would imagine his views are very liberal, just like the party he represents. I don't expect that he would fit in well with a lot of our off topic discussions !!" My point was that (purely in my opinion of course) neither Mr. Woodward's views or those of the party that he represents could be taken to be Liberal in the sense most people understand the word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) You said " I would imagine his views are very liberal, just like the party he represents. I don't expect that he would fit in well with a lot of our off topic discussions !!" My point was that (purely in my opinion of course) neither Mr. Woodward's views or those of the party that he represents could be taken to be Liberal in the sense most people understand the word. What I said was in response to the question "I wonder what his views are on immigration?" For what it is worth I always find it fairly ironic when anybody who labels themselves as a Liberal take a very polarised stance in relation to someone else's views. Edited December 17, 2014 by grrclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Re-read the first paragraph of your post #167 I'm even more puzzled by your comment. What on earth does what I said in post #167 have to do with tomov's question to me? tomov quoted my response to Malkiserow's question of "I wonder what his views are on immigration?" tomov then went on to ask me if I missed the Liberal party's policy on animals, hence me being puzzled. What you are going on about I have not a clue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 grrclark - I share your view. :whistling: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 I'm even more puzzled by your comment. What on earth does what I said in post #167 have to do with tomov's question to me? tomov quoted my response to Malkiserow's question of "I wonder what his views are on immigration?" tomov then went on to ask me if I missed the Liberal party's policy on animals, hence me being puzzled. What you are going on about I have not a clue You advised in your post #167 suggesting "write to his political party as he represents them by association" Tomov wrote "did you miss this bit" with a link to a Liberal party policy statement on animal welfare. You responded to Tomov that "you were puzzled" and "what has Liberal party policy on animal welfare got to do with your post?" What would be Gained by writing to Mr Woodwards party if their take on shooting was as in their policy statement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Panoma, I am still baffled. You are taking two of my posts both totally out of context and combining them. For clarity, #167 was in reference to how we could maybe be better engaged in getting Woodward into discussion as opposed to people leaving false reviews on trip advisor. The post that tomov quoted was a reply to a question about views on immigration by Malkiserow. The two posts do not cross, they are about two totally different things and in response to two different posters. Now to try and respond to you in context, I appreciate that the Liberal party share Cllr Woodward's opinion on shooting, however given his particularly unpleasant comments regarding the suicide of Mr Ellis, in which he tried to use his views on shooting to justify those comments, it might be reasonable to challenge his party to see if they believe that his comments regarding Mr Ellis are indeed representative of their own. Also given that Cllr Woodward has a track record of courting media coverage after making crass and offensive comments it might be that he would relish the opportunity for a further discussion. That was the point of my response to Peskyfoxs. I hope that cleared things up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I cannot see him getting away with it , his council should insist he makes a grovelling apology in front of the media and then remove him from his position on the council Just read this and a few people have the same view as Fenboy so I thought I'd point out as an elected member of the council he cannot be 'fired' as it were The public services ombudsman is where you need to direct your complaints, they have real power v's his position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Any complaint would have to be raised against that council's standing orders by which the councillor must abide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 The local voters have the real power, I hope they are reminded of what sort of creature councillor Woodward is come election time. I think this will have real resonance with ordinary people, not just shooters. Most people know someone who has suffered stress or depression when in financial dire straits. The fact Alan Bacup was also a shooter, a family man, an ex soldier etc make it easier for me and many of us to relate to him. There but for the grace of God. When that stress or depression ends in the tragedy of suicide, most people feel sadness and empathy for the bereaved family. Clearly this oxygen thief lacks that basic humanity and prefers to gloat. I hope and trust his days in local politics will soon be at an end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomov Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 What I said was in response to the question "I wonder what his views are on immigration?" For what it is worth I always find it fairly ironic when anybody who labels themselves as a Liberal take a very polarised stance in relation to someone else's views. I think we are in violent agreement - I (like others it seems) didn't realise that your original post was only in relation to Malkiserow's question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Curious, my comment is under the wee quote box with Malk's question it, maybe it doesn't appear on every browser type Yes we do agree on the hypocrisy of 'Liberal' people being very un-liberal with some of their opinions. A bit like socialists belief in social democracy goes right out the window when it may involve people who have more than them being treated the same, but that is a discussion for another thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Slightly off topic but connected... Have you noticed that any country that has " People's Republic of " or "Democratic People's Republic" is normally the most undemocratic country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 keg - bizarre, but true. :lol: I haven't yet received any response from the Council - anyone had one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Me neither Gordon - my email to them was sent on 11th at 18:21, so their '5 working days' expires at the end of today. If no reply, then I'll chase them up tomorrow morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Nothing to me yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 nothing yet, I have until the end of tomorrow for my 5 working days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camojohn Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Good work everybody. If this story hits the main news will shooter feel a backlash from Tommy Woodward anti-hunt mob? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Slightly off topic but connected... Have you noticed that any country that has " People's Republic of " or "Democratic People's Republic" is normally the most undemocratic country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 No feedback as yet and my 5 days is up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 The stock response did say it may need more than 5 days in some cases. I expect this is one of those "some cases" probably because there were so many complaints and has a bit of national media interest for good measure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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