super sharp shooter Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 If they stayed long enough they could make there own on the press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Who presumably know exactly where I live and have access to my house right? My cartridges are under the stairs by the way Oh dear, let’s hope not then, but why take the chance? Just a thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 My shotgun cartridges are all over the house as we buy them in bulk; under the beds, under the stairs, in my cartridge bag. Rifle cartridges are locked far away from my cabinets, in which my firearms are locked, so that's all that matters to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Sorry to be a killjoy but would anyone like to reveal on this open forum where in the house they keep their spare cash?? I'd be quite happy too, good luck to anyone trying to find out where I live in West Sussex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliver90owner Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 The general idea is that a) Gun cabinets (and so the very high likelihood of the person owning firearms) should not be obvious to the casual visitor. b) Guns are secured from theft by other than the most determined offenders. c) Those who may gain access to the guns do not gain instant access to ammunition. Most certainly advertising to anyone (to whom you may open the door to) is inappropriate in that it may make your property a target for firearms theft. Thus, cartridges in clear view should be frowned upon. If a 'sensible' common thief raids your home, they are unlikely to interfere with gun cabinets (for the guns) as they would know that plod would actually be properly investigating the incident and not just recording the break in as just another crime statistic. The police take firearms thefts seriously - even more so if it involves high power centrefire rifles! There is no second hand market for stolen firearms unless to the criminal brigade. We know that guns are easy to come by, for criminals. Don't make it any easier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Suprised by peoples attitude to police visits, I always found working with the police a good and sensible idea, Giving them the legal situation would rather Pxxs me off, if i was a policman and i expect it would to the average policeman who would then take their time if nothing else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) Suprised by peoples attitude to police visits, I always found working with the police a good and sensible idea, Giving them the legal situation would rather Pxxs me off, if i was a policman and i expect it would to the average policeman who would then take their time if nothing else There's a very long thread on this which you may not have read, or perhaps you haven't seen the correspondence from your shooting organisation about it? When ACPO first trumpeted the policy of unannounced visits, they used language implying a link between law abiding shooters and terrorists. This wording appeared in press releases in the national media. Some of us us found this offensive and insulting, so did CLA, BASC and other associations. ACPO backtracked a little and apologised for this wording when challenged but the surprise visits continue and there is still an undercurrent of "you're all probably wrong 'uns, we need to sneak up and catch you unawares". I am normally supportive of the police, but this "initiative" and others like it breed distrust. The only reason to visit you unannounced is because you are not trusted and they want to "catch you out". If the police genuinely think that a shooter is not complying with the conditions of his licence they should apply for a warrant and seize the guns or face the music if they've made a mistake. For everything else they should make an appointment and turn up at the householders convenience. Edited January 16, 2015 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derfley Posted January 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) Notice you posted at 8.02pm and say they 'just' visited, so I'm assuming this visit was early evening? Yes, late enough to make sure (a lot of) people are home from work, early enough for people not to take the hump. I am surprised you didn't ask why they had made the visit. You may have a neighbour who thinks you are a risk, someone thinks your behaviour is concerning or is it your doctor ? So what has changed from your grant? The police must tell you why an unannounced visit and if they dont, I would definately ask my representative group to press for an answer, as well as reporting the fact that the visit took place. It would be interesting to hear what info BASC get for you or what they do, if anything. Kes, I did I was given the vague reason of security check, no mention of anything else specific. I get on well with the neighbours, and I've not seen my doctor (or had reason too) for the last 18 months, which will have been a chest infection that required a course of antibiotics to clear up fully. Nothing has changed from my grant. And finally, yes I emailed BASC last night, and got a phone call just after getting out of a meeting around 10:30 this morning which was lucky timing. Their advice was to send a letter recorded delivery asking the following points to be clarified in writing; Why they appear to have incorrect information about guns owned. Specify exactly what the trigger for the visit was, quoting the ACPO advice/ guidelines on this matter. And then get back to them when I get a reply so they can follow up as appropriate. They seem very keen to follow up on the unannounced visit unless Humberside Police can provide an adequate reason for this visit! So, letter is drafted but unfortunately I didn't have my SGC details to hand with me at work (and don't have a working printer at home) so the letter will be going out registered post Monday. I'll pop back into this thread for a longer update once I've heard back from the Police and BASC as appropriate. Edited January 16, 2015 by derfley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Sorry to be a killjoy but would anyone like to reveal on this open forum where in the house they keep their spare cash?? In my cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I keep a spare slab of shells in the van . Its not breaking any laws = no problem . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Yes, late enough to make sure (a lot of) people are home from work, early enough for people not to take the hump. Kes, I did I was given the vague reason of security check, no mention of anything else specific. I get on well with the neighbours, and I've not seen my doctor (or had reason too) for the last 18 months, which will have been a chest infection that required a course of antibiotics to clear up fully. Nothing has changed from my grant. And finally, yes I emailed BASC last night, and got a phone call just after getting out of a meeting around 10:30 this morning which was lucky timing. Their advice was to send a letter recorded delivery asking the following points to be clarified in writing; Why they appear to have incorrect information about guns owned. Specify exactly what the trigger for the visit was, quoting the ACPO advice/ guidelines on this matter. And then get back to them when I get a reply so they can follow up as appropriate. They seem very keen to follow up on the unannounced visit unless Humberside Police can provide an adequate reason for this visit! So, letter is drafted but unfortunately I didn't have my SGC details to hand with me at work (and don't have a working printer at home) so the letter will be going out registered post Monday. I'll pop back into this thread for a longer update once I've heard back from the Police and BASC as appropriate. Good for BASC and good for you. I'll be interested to hear the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Good for BASC and good for you. I'll be interested to hear the outcome. Yeah me too .and good on yer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derfley Posted January 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Good for BASC and good for you. I'll be interested to hear the outcome. To be honest, my main reason for sending the letter is I am worried about why the don't appear to have details of my guns. If it's as simple as they don't provide that information to the officers going out to do the checks (they did appear to have a copy of my SGC when I took a sneaky peek, but been a first issue it will not have my guns on their copy) I'll be happy enough with that, as long as their records are correct! As for the visit question, I don't think my request is unreasonable and the letter is very polite. At the moment I am more than happy with the BASC response/assistance given, and their apparent willingness to take the Police to task if required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Sorry to be a killjoy but would anyone like to reveal on this open forum where in the house they keep their spare cash?? In my wife's purse.and that is kept in her bag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike737 Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 That's where I keep my cabinet keys... I don't think she's opened her purse in the last 40 years... Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torbruk Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 That's where I keep my cabinet keys... I don't think she's opened her purse in the last 40 years... Mike. Is your wife a SGC holder? If not you're in breach of your license conditions. I know you're joking but I couldn't resist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) Same questions they would ask for a grant/renewal. Are you in good health or have any health problems they should know about, change of job/relationship or any recent stress points I'm guessing for the circumstances side of things I understand that but it was not a grant/renewal, I thought the checks were for security of the firearms not for information that they already have when they approved the certificate. Edited January 16, 2015 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaunda Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Stevo - Post 35 Not a problem until they get nicked,most likely with damage to the vehicle.The insurance men would not go along with any claim for theft/damage,they would also want a Police Report number and I doubt if the police would look kindly on the issue,probably no law broken but a short entry of fact on your file would ensure you are closely scrutinized when renewal time comes around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derfley Posted January 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) I understand that but it was not a grant/renewal, I thought the checks were for security of the firearms not for information that they already have when they approved the certificate. Sorry for the late reply, just spotted this, been a busy couple of days. The officer appeared to have, a copy of a APCO guidance letter, a copy of my SGC, and a couple of sheets of A4 with a number of questions / tick boxes. So, checked my SGC (tick), check the cabinet (tick), any health problems (no, tick), burglar alarm fitted (tick), window locks fitted (tick) and a couple of others I can't remember off the top of my head. Edited January 18, 2015 by derfley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Stevo - Post 35 Not a problem until they get nicked,most likely with damage to the vehicle.The insurance men would not go along with any claim for theft/damage,they would also want a Police Report number and I doubt if the police would look kindly on the issue,probably no law broken but a short entry of fact on your file would ensure you are closely scrutinized when renewal time comes around. I think your wrong there matey on nearly every point you make . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 They have a scock coming to mine then I have cartridge next to the gun cabinet open my front door theere about 200 on a side table have about 50 in the living room on the coffie table and then 2slabs in a another bedrom have lose cartridges in several coats laid about the house Bloody hell, where do you live, the Proof House Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Suprised by peoples attitude to police visits, I always found working with the police a good and sensible idea, Giving them the legal situation would rather Pxxs me off, if i was a policman and i expect it would to the average policeman who would then take their time if nothing else Ah, yes and I fully agree with you, BUT you are overlooking one important fact............................Human Rights and the power to exercise them ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 I Do Remember Having a visit from My F E O, just as a check on my numbers out of my licence reminder: When getting the Keys, I asked him to turn his back, So he wouldn`t be able to see where I had Hidden Them.. He said " I am the one who issues the licence".. To which my reply Was " A Police officer killed his Wife and two children yesterday " ,,, "Turn Your Back". How do we know these ordinary police officers or whatever They are, are sane in the first Place. (They have no Rights normally to view Firearms of any type And where they are stored, and what address: (YES) ???. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Sorry for the late reply, just spotted this, been a busy couple of days. The officer appeared to have, a copy of a APCO guidance letter, a copy of my SGC, and a couple of sheets of A4 with a number of questions / tick boxes. So, checked my SGC (tick), check the cabinet (tick), any health problems (no, tick), burglar alarm fitted (tick), window locks fitted (tick) and a couple of others I can't remember off the top of my head. This would be my main concern. i.e.they have no specific reason for doing these checks, as they required to, apparently. This also reinforces original concerns that the police are just increasing checks for no additional security reasons, simply reinforcing their incorrect assumption that any weapons might fall into terrorist hands. Based on the potential intelligence, the risks of our group, this is a grossly inefficient use of police time. At the same time they complain of underfunding - 2 police to check someone about whom they have no specific change in circumstances from the shotgun cert grant. Lets hope BASC take this forward, otherwise we may all get 'unannounced', unjustified visits in the future. I have no problem with the actual visits but with the continued abuse of powers and the assumption that doing something will improve the service provided against terrorism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Never a day goes by when you read of how a terrorist used a stolen 12ga to do a terrible incident AK47 yes 12ga no and sadly not any of us are now allowed an AK47. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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