Old farrier Posted April 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 I must admit I am guilty of not reading all the post and just commented on the wood. However it does appear that you have not been provided with what you requested. I hope you get the gunsmith to make this right, but I can see it being a bit of a nightmare. I would avoid being confrontational initially the guy needs to have an opportunity to make things right for you but if you don't get any joy then you may well have to go through the hassle of the small claims court. Thanks for your thoughts hopefully it will be sorted Not sure of the implications and after effects of taking a RFD to court But I value your opinion on this Many thanks All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesP Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 I can understand that you may be reluctant to give details, but is this person well known as a stocker; does he advertise as such, and have you seen any examples of his work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_Lad Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Hi, only just seen this. As a bit of an OCD where shotgun woodwork is concerned there is no way, no day I would ever even dream of paying for what you have been offered, it is nothing like what you asked for. Stand your ground as its a total fail for what you ordered. atvb Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Nice wood but short in the grain on the panel , sorry if I step on any toes but that is an ugly stock . 3 holes in the heel plate ? if it comes off then why dose it need a key hole . thank god for that thought I was the only one looking and wincing! lovely wood hideous curves and grip IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mick.j Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 I can understand that you may be reluctant to give details, but is this person well known as a stocker; does he advertise as such, and have you seen any examples of his work? Known as a 'shocker' is more apt. An absolute disgrace to have to go through all that and not get what was ordered I hope the OP gets a total refund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted April 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Hi, only just seen this. As a bit of an OCD where shotgun woodwork is concerned there is no way, no day I would ever even dream of paying for what you have been offered, it is nothing like what you asked for. Stand your ground as its a total fail for what you ordered. atvb Paul. Hi thanks for your reply glad I found someone as OCD (passionate) about wood as me Just wondered if my request Exebition wood Tulip forend Semi pistol grip Teardrops Best London Finnish Was a unreasonable remit on a stock Thanks again for your thoughts All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_Lad Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Not at all, its clear to me what you are asking for and I'm no stocker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) Looking at the photos it now appears you have a copy of your original stock with slightly different measurements .Rather that the" Perazzi" look alike . It is still not POW , its a half or semi pistol what Browning refer to as a "round knob" .The panels are to short to have points cut and they would have to be the distinctive Browning style to look right ,if they are not it is plainly obvious to all that it is not an original stock which it needs to look like when finished .In short you have been stuffed and the guy who is doing it is trying to get out of either doing it properly or better still giving you your money back as he has failed to deliver what was asked for . When stocking any gun with a piece of selected wood it is sometimes the case that the wood is deemed to be unsuitable or unusable ,its happened to me on several occasions . The first thing to do is contact the client and tell him so . If the stocker supplied the blank then it is up to him to replace it with a similar piece of wood with your approval . If you have supplied it then it down to you to take it up with your supplier . There is NO excuse for getting the shape /style or dimensions wrong [ give or take a 1/16"]. Personally I would reject the job and take it else ware and bill him for the cost . Edited April 16, 2015 by Gunman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 OF We have shared text's over this matter and i feel i have let you down as not wanting to say my true feelings in case i upset you more Breech of contract he's bought a trap stock and tried to convert it , not a cat in hells chance in making that stock to fur fill your requests tell him straight and ask for you gun and deposit back or you will see him in court . Sorry Bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 I'd be happy with it paddy if it had teardrops semi pistolgrip and was nice exebition grade wood All the best Of I was trying to be a little up beat about it OF, it's the kind of thing i'd have, obviously not what you'd ordered so you have every right to be annoyed, if I were in your position i'd be round his house avec persuader getting my gun and money back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wj939 Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Honestly, giving him a chance to put it right with a modified trap stock is giving him another chance to take you for a ride, be firm with the guy, if you ordered a conservatory on your house and got a greenhouse stuck on the side you'd say he's ripping you off, as he appears to be here. Good luck, sincerely hope you find a solution. Of course you could contact BASC legal department. I suspect that you'd get somewhere face to face with the guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted April 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 OF We have shared text's over this matter and i feel i have let you down as not wanting to say my true feelings in case i upset you more Breech of contract he's bought a trap stock and tried to convert it , not a cat in hells chance in making that stock to fur fill your requests tell him straight and ask for you gun and deposit back or you will see him in court . Sorry Bud Not a problem magman I guessed you were being nice 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a303 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 The first picture looks like a trap stock and the 2nd picture looks like he is altering a 2nd hand stock to try and suit. Think he has either sent the wrong pictures or he is trying to fob off an old stock he has in his possession. You have clearly specified exactly what you wanted so that is what you should receive with your hard earned. If the wood blank chosen was not suitable you should have been informed and allowed to choose another to your liking. Best of luck getting a satisfactory result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 OF, trying to go back to the beginning, do you have anything in writing to verify what style/pattern/specification etc you agreed when it was ordered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted April 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 OF, trying to go back to the beginning, do you have anything in writing to verify what style/pattern/specification etc you agreed when it was ordered? Hi old man Thanks for your reply Yes I have all that and Olso have met up for mesurment Although that was notrealy nessesary As all he had to do was copy the existing stock exactly This is not the first stock I have had made so am aware of some of the pitfalls Although he has taken me back a bit with his lack of communication and the way he has adreesed the project I'm fairly laid back about most stuff and like to give people a chance as we all make errors and mistakes I know in my own mind what I'm going to do to resolve the issue if he dosent sort it 😇 Was just sharing the experience with the PW members All the best Of Any one fancy a trip to Portugal ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Pm mungler and get his advice. I'd be one very unhappy man with the wood he chose alone, before all the other **** you have had. Exhibition grade wood is what you chose not that trap stock. Hope it all works out for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Hi O F, very respectfully you seem a bit too laid back for your own good? The longer you do nothing IMHO the worse your position becomes legally? Sounds like the guys here that do know may think it will never morph into what you ordered? You are obviously upset at this, as would be reasonable. Do you know of a mate who could support you on a visit to finally resolve this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted April 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Hi O F, very respectfully you seem a bit too laid back for your own good? The longer you do nothing IMHO the worse your position becomes legally? Sounds like the guys here that do know may think it will never morph into what you ordered? You are obviously upset at this, as would be reasonable. Do you know of a mate who could support you on a visit to finally resolve this? Thanks for your reply and I think your right having slept on it and read all the responses For witch I thank you all very much I am addressing the matter accordingly As I see it there are 3 or 4 options 1. Full refund and gun back 2 gun back with better wood but NOT what I wanted at considerably reduced cost 3 the stock I ordered to the spesifictions agreed at the price agreed Or option 4 Proberably not the best choice Revert to my former self shout rant rave swear and smash the whole thing to bits infront of him Expressing my tru feelings towards the job and service giver by the rip of merchant Although I am trying to rise above this and be a better person I admit I proberably have been to laid back on this occasion but in the past going in with all guns blazing. Has seldom done much good Note there is no way I'm accepting the stock in the picture I hate the wood I would not have even chose it for the fire I have let the stock maker continue as he hasent as yet bothered to ask if I like the wood Many thanks for your concern and advice I hope this thread helps others that maybe considering upgrades or bespoke work All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 O F, option one would be the cleanest way, agree must stay cool and have a pal along as witness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Hi old man Thanks for your reply Yes I have all that and Olso have met up for mesurment Although that was notrealy nessesary As all he had to do was copy the existing stock exactly This is not the first stock I have had made so am aware of some of the pitfalls Although he has taken me back a bit with his lack of communication and the way he has adreesed the project I'm fairly laid back about most stuff and like to give people a chance as we all make errors and mistakes I know in my own mind what I'm going to do to resolve the issue if he dosent sort it Was just sharing the experience with the PW members All the best Of Any one fancy a trip to Portugal ? I'll be more than happy to drive you I'm sorry that this matter hasn't been sorted yet. Like i said to you in our PM's, the wood in the first picture (to myself) would look very nice on a clay gun, and cumbersome on a game gun. A game gun should look refined with smooth lines and be a pleasure to show as a piece art when out in the field. Like what you ordered. Your laid back manner is a credit to you and i'm sure you know how to proceed. Option one is the best outcome and the way to go. However i know you would be more than capable of option four and would be more than happy to be there, to provide a wright up all about it You have waited 7 months so far with this project and placed a deadline which is less than a fortnight away. See what the outcome is on the 1st of May and then you already know what to do. Good luck with it pal. Speak soon. All the best Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 IMHO - cut your losses and get a decent bloke to do the job for you while claiming your money back in court-there's only one guy that I would, hand on heart, recommend-demonwolf444 (james) on this very forum-the guy has sawdust in his veins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted April 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 IMHO - cut your losses and get a decent bloke to do the job for you while claiming your money back in court-there's only one guy that I would, hand on heart, recommend-demonwolf444 (james) on this very forum-the guy has sawdust in his veins Would happily have James do work for me I think he's brilliant and more than capable though sadly geography some times dictates choice Thanks for your comment its much appreciated All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted April 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 I'll be more than happy to drive you I'm sorry that this matter hasn't been sorted yet. Like i said to you in our PM's, the wood in the first picture (to myself) would look very nice on a clay gun, and cumbersome on a game gun. A game gun should look refined with smooth lines and be a pleasure to show as a piece art when out in the field. Like what you ordered. Your laid back manner is a credit to you and i'm sure you know how to proceed. Option one is the best outcome and the way to go. However i know you would be more than capable of option four and would be more than happy to be there, to provide a wright up all about it You have waited 7 months so far with this project and placed a deadline which is less than a fortnight away. See what the outcome is on the 1st of May and then you already know what to do. Good luck with it pal. Speak soon. All the best Mark. See you at the charity shoot You would be good in Portugal they drive on the same side you do 😂 Depending on the outcome we may need a minibus 😊😊😊 Thanks for your thoughts and support in this matter All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul T Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 OF The latest photo confirmed my suspicions of being a trap stock. The trouble is that the line of the stock is completely wrong for a true POW grip and I really don't see how that can be put right. A rounded end on a pistol grip doesn't make it look or feel right. Look at how the line of the stock underside runs through - it just looks 'off'. I'd voice your concerns now and tell him you want what you specifically ordered, not a re-work of a previous customer's reject. Sincerely hope you get this sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 Is UK Gunworks not close to you OF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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