Legal Highs

[AVB]

I used to do the old Columbian Marching Powder to get me through the long days and nights at work. Did I ever feel the need to try anything else? No. But I do know others who it screwed up. I don't do any drugs or alcohol nowadays as I don't feel the need and with random drug tests at work nowadays not worth it.

 

At least coke doesn't make you stink like weed does.

 

I'd ban everything if I had my way. Alcohol, drugs, smoking. Would leave coffee alone though.

[The Mighty Prawn]

This argument is best summarised by Begbie in trainspotting where he say you'd never catch me filling my body with that ***** whilst chugging fags and booze

[Scully]

I used to indulge now and then but packed it in because I packed in the fags. I miss neither now, but the only ones who regularly end up in the nick of a weekend around here (when the nick is open) are the urineheads.

Used to get into quite a bit of bother as a daft lad after a few sherbets, but never after a few spliffs.

[955i]

I used to smoke cannabis as a 'social' thing (all day every day).

 

Now I vape it as it helps with my breathing and arthritis.

 

I have a set up where I can set it to burn off the beneficial cannabiloids but not the toxins and THC (the thing that gets you high).

 

There is obviously some 'high' there, but the health benefits are my priority.

 

Cannabis is also known to have anti-psychotic properties and has been proven to reduce and even remove some cancers!!

Edited May 29, 2015 by 955i

[kdubya]

 

The figures I found are different. See above.

 

But going back to your earlier "tosh" statement (I know you don`t want to but we are going to)

 

Marijuana is, by far, the most popular illegal drug among Britons; 93% of drug users (more than 14 million people) have used marijuana. It is often depicted as a gateway drug, and it is certainly true that it is the drug that most drug users use first; marijuana was the first illegal drug used by 82% of drug users. However, there is no clear evidence from this research to suggest that usage of marijuana necessarily leads to usage of other, harder, drugs. Indeed, half of marijuana users have never taken any other drug.

The proportion of drug users who have used marijuana has increased since 2008, when 87% had used it. There has also been an increase in the number who have taken cheap amphetamines such as speed, which is now the second most widely used drug (31% had taken it in 2008, 34% in 2014). Cocaine is the third most widely used illegal drug (29% of British drug users have ever used it) followed by ecstasy (25%).

 

And from the same survey only 6% of people in the UK have ever tried heroin.

 

Finally.

 

The National Treatment Agency for Substance Misuse estimated there to be 306,000 heroin and crack users in England in 2012, and usage of these drugs has been falling in recent years.

 

The NHS estimates that around 9% of men in the UK and 4% of UK women show signs of alcohol dependence.

 

So millions of alcohol dependent people and just 306,000 on crack and smack.

 

I repeat. Tosh.

And I would bet no one repeat no one who ended up on heroin etc did not start on whacky backy, like it or not, so tosh back at you, your move.

 

KW

[955i]

And I would bet no one repeat no one who ended up on heroin etc did not start on whacky backy, like it or not, so tosh back at you, your move.

 

KW

KW, you are just talking **** now to try and justify your point.

 

You are wrong, your viewpoint is not going to be right on this, just give up now

 

No alcoholic started without one drink, no serial killer started without killing someone.

[kdubya]

KW, you are just talking **** now to try and justify your point.

 

You are wrong, your viewpoint is not going to be right on this, just give up now

 

No alcoholic started without one drink, no serial killer started without killing someone.

I will say it again the route to heroin is lit by whacky backy you can deny it all you want I have seen it, I know it, tell you what tell your employer that you like an occasional drink and compare the reaction to that when you tell him you like an occasional joint or a snort of white powder? oh still I suppose its all ignorance and bias rather than a reaction to medical opinion, and life experience.s .

 

KW

Edited May 29, 2015 by kdubya

[Danger-Mouse]

And I would bet no one repeat no one who ended up on heroin etc did not start on whacky backy, like it or not, so tosh back at you, your move.

 

KW

 

Knew a girl some years back who until smoking heroin had never tried any other drug.

 

Checkmate.

[955i]

I will say it again the route to heroin is lit by whacky backy you can deny it all you want I have seen it, I know it, tell you what tell your employer that you like an occasional drink and compare the reaction to that when you tell him you like an occasional joint or a snort of white powder? oh still I suppose its all ignorance and bias rather than a reaction to medical opinion, and life experience.s .

 

KW

No it isn't, you have ZERO proof of this.

 

It is your opinion, and you are entitled to it, but you are wrong.

 

Just man up and accept it!!

 

I know hundreds of people who take recreational drugs, not one has gone on to heroin.

 

My employer knows all about my drug taking, past and present.

 

I am self employed

 

Now you can self-implode about drugs and tax avoidance in one thread (both of which you seem to know nothing about).

 

Glad I could help

Edited May 29, 2015 by 955i

[Scully]

I will say it again the route to heroin is lit by whacky backy you can deny it all you want I have seen it, I know it, tell you what tell your employer that you like an occasional drink and compare the reaction to that when you tell him you like an occasional joint or a snort of white powder? oh still I suppose its all ignorance and bias rather than a reaction to medical opinion, and life experience.s .

 

KW

Then by that reasoning surely alcohol should be banned also.

I know several alcoholics locally, but no drug addled crazies.

All three of the alcoholics I know have broken marriages as a result, one is in an old folks home in a wheelchair at the age of 62 as there is nowhere else for him to go, another is around 48 but looks 80 and now gets about by means of a mobility scooter and had all three of his kids taken into care some years ago. He is banned from every pub in town now as he soils himself at the bar, so I'm assuming he gets his booze from the shops.

Another was a property developer and the husband of a friend of mine, who left him and took the kids with her when it started to effect the kids. Their house was put on the market and has just recently been sold.

Another lad, a builder, who would have a tin of lager at brew time when everyone else was on coffee, was killed last year on the A66 driving home while out of his skull on drink. He leaves behind an ex-wife and two kids. He was only in his early 40's. The female passenger in the car he hit was in intensive care for a while but as far as I know is now ok.

And just a fortnight ago a lad I went to school with was buried after suffering a heart attack following being paralysed from the neck down as a result of a drunken afternoon out with another lad. He was the passenger in the vehicle which smashed into the Llama Karma cafe just outside Penrith on the A66 (again) last year. He lost his job on the railway, through drink some years ago and blew the proceeds from the sale of his parents house on alcohol. He was 54.

Telling your employer you like the odd snort possibly wouldn't go down well due to it being illegal, having the odd drink isn't.

[Vince Green]

I don't think that you fully understand the problems of alcohol in our society today . Your figures are way ,way wrong . Alcohol Is the biggest reason for crime in today's society ,It's also one of the biggest causes of divorce and separation . Most drinkers will say that they are in control and that they do not pose a problem to any body .

Why not say that responsible use of class A drugs is no problem to society ,after all the effect of booze and drugs is very much the same ,except that the drugs have a certain stigma and drinkers will look down at drug takers although they are after the same high . Drugs and booze are very much the same and become addictive and make normal people behave in irresponsible and some times dangerous ways . Harnser

I agree! booze is a massive problem but a lot of it is hidden away out of sight. It always amazes me how much shelf space in Supermarkets are taken up with alcohol and how much of it is being pushed hard with special offers.

[Twistedsanity]

Typical knee jerk political reaction, it's impossible to ban all legal highs as I am sure they are already aware, as soon as they ban one compound the manufacturers change a molecule and hey presto they have an unbannèd one leaving the legal dept of the government playing catch up to a trick learned from the pharmaceutical industry to avoid or keep patents on medication.

The irony is that over thousands of years of use nobody has ever died from cannabis , the government ban it leading to the manufacture of a synthetic version and people start dying.

[955i]

I will say it again the route to heroin is lit by whacky backy you can deny it all you want I have seen it, I know it, tell you what tell your employer that you like an occasional drink and compare the reaction to that when you tell him you like an occasional joint or a snort of white powder? oh still I suppose its all ignorance and bias rather than a reaction to medical opinion, and life experience.s .

 

KW

Alright, here we go!!

 

I have always taken drugs on an occasional recreational basis including speed, hash, acid, mushrooms and ecstacy.

 

You want to know what split my marriage?

 

DRINK. No matter how hard I tried that was the one thing I couldn't lay off. Luckily now I have but I lost everything in the meantime.

 

So take your **** northern statistics and your lame attempts at being 'right on' and shove them up your ****

[islandgun]

I agree! booze is a massive problem but a lot of it is hidden away out of sight. It always amazes me how much shelf space in Supermarkets are taken up with alcohol and how much of it is being pushed hard with special offers.

i notice that tobacco is now covered up in super markets but booze is openly pushed, I wonder why governments are shy of sticking booze on the top shelf, on a personal level ive partaken of most things but now only enjoy a glass of wine or dram, as in all things moderation is key

[955i]

i notice that tobacco is now covered up in super markets but booze is openly pushed, I wonder why governments are shy of sticking booze on the top shelf, on a personal level ive partaken of most things but now only enjoy a glass of wine or dram, as in all things moderation is key

Revenue

[islandgun]

Revenue

so there we have it, despite all the grief, lost man hours, dead people, hospital overcrowding, violence and crime, the government have worked out that theres more money in drink than without, so bring it on ! you can fool some of the people some of the time, the rest ! get em ******

[955i]

so there we have it, despite all the grief, lost man hours, dead people, hospital overcrowding, violence and crime, the government have worked out that theres more money in drink than without, so bring it on ! you can fool some of the people some of the time, the rest ! get em ******

Exactly, if they can't tax it then its illegal.

 

I find it hard to believe that anyone still thinks the government acts in their interests.

Edited May 29, 2015 by 955i

[kdubya]

Alright, here we go!!

 

I have always taken drugs on an occasional recreational basis including speed, hash, acid, mushrooms and ecstacy.

 

You want to know what split my marriage?

 

DRINK. No matter how hard I tried that was the one thing I couldn't lay off. Luckily now I have but I lost everything in the meantime.

 

So take your **** northern statistics and your lame attempts at being 'right on' and shove them up your ****

 

I take it your not to fussed at my point of view then?

 

KW

[islandgun]

 

I take it your not to fussed at my point of view then?

 

KW

you noticed then KW

[harrypen]

Isnt it about time this rubbish was locked .... The usual fors and against have already got on their respective high horses and its obviously degenerating even further .

 

If you are law abiding citizens great ,,,,, If your not bring on the tap of the shoulder

 

as to the people who have shotgun and firearms and have said "they take recreational drugs ,,, Mention it to you Fao the next time you put in for a variation or addition

 

harrypen

Edited May 29, 2015 by harrypen

[kdubya]

Isnt it about time this rubbish was locked .... The usual fors and against have already got on their respective high horses and its obviously degenerating even further .

 

If you are law abiding citizens great ,,,,, If your not bring on the tap of the shoulder

Here's the reason for my high horse, whacky backy brought this end result about

 

[955i]

 

I take it your not to fussed at my point of view then?

 

KW

No, because your colours have been hung high.

 

You have an opinion on everything but it is based on nothing.

[kdubya]

No, because your colours have been hung high.

 

You have an opinion on everything but it is based on nothing.

nah not everything just tax dodgers and junkies.

 

KW

[grrclark]

Isnt it about time this rubbish was locked .... The usual fors and against have already got on their respective high horses and its obviously degenerating even further .

 

If you are law abiding citizens great ,,,,, If your not bring on the tap of the shoulder

 

as to the people who have shotgun and firearms and have said "they take recreational drugs ,,, Mention it to you Fao the next time you put in for a variation or addition

 

harrypen

It is sad when someone attempts to stifle discussion and debate on the basis of their own puritanical point of view.

 

Fair enough to express an opinion that this sort of discussion thread has the potential to denigrate into a slanging match, and I very much hope it doesn't, but what did you hope to achieve with the comment about law abiding citizens?

 

As this is a forum largely for firearm holders there is of course an attendant level of responsibility that we would expect contributors to the forum to observe and that is absolutely centred on safety and responsibility in relation to their ownership and usage of guns, but sadly there is also always a theme that tends to run through many discussion threads that we should somehow also be fervently righteous for fear of judgement or retribution.

 

The argument for the legal status of cannabis in particular is one that is hugely influenced by fear and ignorance and largely peddled by government and media in some sort of false moralistic pretence. By denying the debate on the pretext of legality means that we continue to perpetuate and breed ignorance.

 

Cannabis and the hemp plant have some absolutely brilliant qualities that could benefit millions of people in society, something that is being increasingly recognised by many conservative countries, but ones that have a more progressive attitude to furthering knowledge and learning instead of peddling fear based on the psychoactive properties of the drug. These qualities include incredibly effective pain relief without side effects and stabilising those who suffer from some psychotic illnesses.

 

Sure there are bad things that have happened to people who have consumed cannabis, but bad things happen everywhere all of the time.

[Scully]

It is sad when someone attempts to stifle discussion and debate on the basis of their own puritanical point of view.

 

Fair enough to express an opinion that this sort of discussion thread has the potential to denigrate into a slanging match, and I very much hope it doesn't, but what did you hope to achieve with the comment about law abiding citizens?

 

As this is a forum largely for firearm holders there is of course an attendant level of responsibility that we would expect contributors to the forum to observe and that is absolutely centred on safety and responsibility in relation to their ownership and usage of guns, but sadly there is also always a theme that tends to run through many discussion threads that we should somehow also be fervently righteous for fear of judgement or retribution.

 

The argument for the legal status of cannabis in particular is one that is hugely influenced by fear and ignorance and largely peddled by government and media in some sort of false moralistic pretence. By denying the debate on the pretext of legality means that we continue to perpetuate and breed ignorance.

 

Cannabis and the hemp plant have some absolutely brilliant qualities that could benefit millions of people in society, something that is being increasingly recognised by many conservative countries, but ones that have a more progressive attitude to furthering knowledge and learning instead of peddling fear based on the psychoactive properties of the drug. These qualities include incredibly effective pain relief without side effects and stabilising those who suffer from some psychotic illnesses.

 

Sure there are bad things that have happened to people who have consumed cannabis, but bad things happen everywhere all of the time.

Excellent post.