malkiserow Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Looks like a better deal for parents Childcare Tax changes 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) If you cant afford them without both working or would rather work than look after them dont have em? why should taxes support lifestyles. KW Edited June 22, 2015 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 If you cant afford them dont have em? why should taxes support lifestyles. KW Shouldn't you be all chilled after getting back from the South of France? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Shouldn't you be all chilled after getting back from the South of France? I thought that was quite a calm response? KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 I think it's more the merry-go-round of pay taxes then claim them back, if there was a lower tax band, you wouldn't need to claim anything back. Saying that, i would happily scrap child benefit, i don't see why the state should pay people for having children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carman06 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 If you cant afford them without both working or would rather work than look after them dont have em? why should taxes support lifestyles. KW Because the government would rather help someone by giving them £2K a year towards childcare costs because they are working instead of paying them £20K a year to sit on their **** looking after their own kids and claiming benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Because the government would rather help someone by giving them £2K a year towards childcare costs because they are working instead of paying them £20K a year to sit on their **** looking after their own kids and claiming benefits. er my point was cant afford em dont have em, benefit for those unemployed or ill/disabled is one thing benefit for a lifestyle choice is quite another. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carman06 Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 er my point was cant afford em dont have em, benefit for those unemployed or ill/disabled is one thing benefit for a lifestyle choice is quite another. KW Unfortunately according to shows such as on benefits and proud there are several people who outright say they would rather stay at home and claim benifits as if they did work the childcare costs would almost wipe out what they earn. Some people do also have unexpected changes in circumstances where they were working and living fine but now cannot without financial support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Children aren't a lifestyle choice KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) Children aren't a lifestyle choice KW. agreed life styles come and go, situations change, jobs are gained or lost, children are for life, bit like puppies Edited June 22, 2015 by islandgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 for some people children aren't for life sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) Children aren't a lifestyle choice KW. Really? jeez plenty have kids purely as a source of income. KW Edited June 22, 2015 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Really? jeez plenty have kids purely as a source of income. KW Maybe up north? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Really? jeez plenty have kids purely as a source of income. KW Yes they do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Children aren't a lifestyle choice KW. They are if you have more than a couple! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Don't get to excited boys. You can't claim if you make over 150k !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynny Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 If you cant afford them without both working or would rather work than look after them dont have em? why should taxes support lifestyles. KW Dead right, if me and the wife weren't working and couldn't afford to have kids we wouldn't have had em, We waited( quite late compared to some) until we were financially secure and had good jobs and no debt etc. starting a family needs planning and finances. Not "I can have em so I will "and let every other beggar pay for my choice, simply because I can do a bit of Inny and outy and fancy having a child, in that sense they are a lifestyle choice Bang on KW, NAIL ON THE HEAD, Atb Flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynny Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Some people do also have unexpected changes in circumstances where they were working and living fine but now cannot without financial support. And they are the people who should benefit and deserve it Atb Flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 I have three children, have paid tax since I was 16 and have never claimed a bean from the state. Will I avail myself of this ? Yes. its a tax break that allows me to contribute to the benefit system or would you prefer I take the day off a week this will cover the cost of child care ? Giving up on your children is bad parenting "ooh too hard to keep contact " doing what's legal isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Dead right, if me and the wife weren't working and couldn't afford to have kids we wouldn't have had em, We waited( quite late compared to some) until we were financially secure and had good jobs and no debt etc. starting a family needs planning and finances. Not "I can have em so I will "and let every other beggar pay for my choice, simply because I can do a bit of Inny and outy and fancy having a child, in that sense they are a lifestyle choice Bang on KW, NAIL ON THE HEAD, Atb Flynny mmm Who sets the income threshold ? £25,000 for one £50,000 for two. god help the parents of twins, what about parent type. only educated middle class, or is it open to all higher wage earners, should we consider ethnic background, perhaps we should only allow blue eyed blond haired, its a long list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Children aren't a lifestyle choice KW. Oh! but they are you either have them or not. That's a choice and in some cases in this country because of the hand outs some have chosen a life style to have a good number of children in order to get for example a larger house, more benefits etc. So yes there is a choice. Don't get me wrong, I fully appreciate that sometimes people`s life`s do change with circumstances out with there control and that's when the benefit system should kick in. Many years ago my wife and I made a choice not to have any children and that was / is a lifestyle choice. We have 3 golden retrievers which I have no problems in saying there are our family, I only wish I could get family benefit or tax relief for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Come on lads, what percentage of UK parents do you really think have kids just to get more benefits? Does anyone think it is over 1 % of parents. I guess it is lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djrwood Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Does anyone know whether there is a minimum age limit for the children? I know the free childcare costs start at 3 at the moment and there was talk around it being lowered to 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Come on lads, what percentage of UK parents do you really think have kids just to get more benefits? Does anyone think it is over 1 % of parents. I guess it is lower. I worked with a man who had a second child, it was definitely a influence that as he had a girl and a boy, once they were a certain age he HAD TO be moved to a bigger council house as they aren't expected to share a room. If I wanted my own house, or a bigger, better house, I'd start working hard to get the money, not start popping out kids and expect everyone else to chip in and pay towards it. Although I don't think the level of scrounging is often as high as the papers and media think out, I do think that many many "regular working" men and women take advantage of situations on the quiet. I dated a female copper for a bit who'd split from her partner on and off, even she told me that when they were back for a bit they still claim she was living alone and had better benefits / free nursery because of it. I think in the same situation I don't reckon there's a lot of people who would do any different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson_tom Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) Dead right, if me and the wife weren't working and couldn't afford to have kids we wouldn't have had em, We waited( quite late compared to some) until we were financially secure and had good jobs and no debt etc. starting a family needs planning and finances. Not "I can have em so I will "and let every other beggar pay for my choice, simply because I can do a bit of Inny and outy and fancy having a child, in that sense they are a lifestyle choice Bang on KW, NAIL ON THE HEAD, Atb Flynny So take it from that you do not claim child benefit..... I cant see how a thread about the government helping working families out with childcare turns into another thread about scroungers. People living off benefits will not gain from this new allowance it will help families with working parents. IMO for most people they are never able to get in a financial position to have children as people live to their means, its only once you have the kids you then change your lifestyle to suit your income. Assuming one of the parents has a reasonable job this is normally possible but does mean you may not have the new cars, holidays, or possibly need downsize the house to a more manageable mortgage. This wont cost the tax payer any more money as the idea is both parents will be able to work and of course put more money into the system. This isn't a tax free saving scheme to pay for a holiday or other luxury the payment will go to childminders, carers, nursery which of course gives more people more jobs. To add to that it means the government will then have a huge pot of the parents money which they can earn some interest on. Just remember as well there is a potential huge problem with an ageing population, the reason our system works is the working ages support the old and the young. For this to work the working age group needs to kept as high as possible over the long term, these government 'benefits' to families are just a way of encouraging this and keeping the balance where it needs to be. Of course there are always people who play the system regardless what the system is, however you should not tarnish the majority with the acts of the minority. Edited June 23, 2015 by ferguson_tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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