Underdog Posted August 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 So far then amongst us all, well under the ton!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Shot 2 in the last month one dispatched as point blank another around 200 as it bolted from the guy that missed it at 75, only got the chance as it spotted to look back as it got to the hedge line. So average about 100 yards I'd say that's normal for me 75 to 125 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBeaky Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Only ever shot two, both around 20 yards with shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted August 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 So folks what have we deduced? That all the jibba jabba about ballistic coefficients is pretty much a mute discussion. That thousands of those mechanical force measurements are pointless. Heavy bull barrels not needed and most scopes to big! Lol well I never ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) Last 5 hmmm Starting latest Hmr 129 yards in day stubble field 223 130 yards in lamp stubble field 223 50 yards in woods Hmr 30 yards in woods Shotgun 5 yards lol So 69 average I'm not a big fox hunter and most of my shooting is on a special ground based around a woodland with the furthest shot around 150 yards . I shoot rabbits just as far with the rimfire Edited August 16, 2015 by team tractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 I've just shot one at 120 yds. Not the range's that I have mentioned in the past I know. But. If needed in certain circumstances because I have faith in my setup "if" I need to take shots at educated fox's that won't come to a call then I know I can. You may say there's allot of ifs UD but it happens. Not, may I add this time of year usually but later on,specially after folks have called them in and fluffed the shot. I have gained 2 quite decent bits of ground because of those folk,so a big thanks to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 My average is about 100 metres on gently undulating farmland which has some quite big open fields. Longest last season was 170 M and the season before was 135 M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Shot 6 last week from 100-160yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 75 paces doing the average over the last 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted August 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 I've just shot one at 120 yds. Not the range's that I have mentioned in the past I know. But. If needed in certain circumstances because I have faith in my setup "if" I need to take shots at educated fox's that won't come to a call then I know I can. You may say there's allot of ifs UD but it happens. Not, may I add this time of year usually but later on,specially after folks have called them in and fluffed the shot. I have gained 2 quite decent bits of ground because of those folk,so a big thanks to them. Yes have had to clean up on places like that myself, gamekeepers having a jolly with his mates every Thursday, lousy shots just educating everything. You do a good job and then they hate you for showing them up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 In reverse order, all approximate and taken with .243: 200 25 50 150 60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted August 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 In reverse order, all approximate and taken with .243: 200 25 50 150 60 97! Out of your five the 200&150 I would most likely skip on nowadays, the reason is my rifle is the tiny wmr, tiny compared to 243! The gulf between the two in performance is huge but I could of possibly still accounted for three of yours and been close on a fourth, in desperation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Looks like we can deduce that the majority of the respondents average 100 yards or so with a few further shots taken on occasion. I recently read an article in sporting rifle where Mike Powell was saying he averaged around 100 yards. The article also mentioned Mark Ripley (apologies if this is wrong) or 260. rips as he is know on you tube. He is a pretty fine shot and takes foxes out to 600 yards. The article mentioned that his average despite these long shots would be around the 200 yard mark. I have a friend who is happy to take foxes out to 400 or so but he has a custom 6.5 x 47 and 6mm PPC and knows how to use them to good effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted August 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 That is interesting Mike but surely it is harder to find a fox at those distances than to find them closer! And when one does find them closer handling a heavy barrelled semi custom rifle with muffler and bi-pod swinging below sounds like hell. I have spent a small fortune over the years on rifles yes but never on scopes, bi-pods or bull barrels. My air rifles have weighed more! Still always managed. What I hope this thread achieves is to encourage some on lesser incomes to not be pressured by more is better syndrome, just get what you can afford and get out there. Even if it is a rimfire and a 6x scope of average descent! Pitting your wits against a fox's is the fun, not gadgets. Gadgets just make it a job and jobs get boring! So grab a skinny rifle, travel light, find their patterns and intercept and when you start seeing their whiskers through the scope or the colour of their eyes as you line them opens up you know you have slipped into their world unbeknown! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) I think the long distance shots are generally rare but I do think there is a lot of satisfaction to be had when you make the shot. Also in the case of 260. rips the nature of the ground calls for long range shots to be taken. I personally get enjoyment from all of the shooting I do regardless of whether it's with my "mouse gun" (.17 hmr) at 50 yards, 12 bore at 5 yards or the .243 at 250 yards. I have a fair bit of kit and a good quality optic makes a difference. I have a Hawke scope on one of my .17 hmrs and a swarovski on one of the .243 rifles. Would you compare the 2...not in a million years. Does the Swarovski make me shoot 10 times better then the Hawke (it was 10 times the price)...no it doesnt. Would I pay the price again, yes I would as I have been able to take shots 15 minutes later in the evening due to the light gathering quality. I think the great thing about shooting is you can spend as much or as little as you want and still enjoy a fantastic sport. Keep up the good work U. Edited August 17, 2015 by WelshMike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 That is interesting Mike but surely it is harder to find a fox at those distances than to find them closer! And when one does find them closer handling a heavy barrelled semi custom rifle with muffler and bi-pod swinging below sounds like hell. I have spent a small fortune over the years on rifles yes but never on scopes, bi-pods or bull barrels. My air rifles have weighed more! Still always managed. What I hope this thread achieves is to encourage some on lesser incomes to not be pressured by more is better syndrome, just get what you can afford and get out there. Even if it is a rimfire and a 6x scope of average descent! Pitting your wits against a fox's is the fun, not gadgets. Gadgets just make it a job and jobs get boring! So grab a skinny rifle, travel light, find their patterns and intercept and when you start seeing their whiskers through the scope or the colour of their eyes as you line them opens up you know you have slipped into their world unbeknown! Setting aside the back garden foxes I deal with, even on the farms/golf course/stables/etc I rarely find the need to take foxes past 100 yards. Not only can the fox generally be trained quite quickly, they are also quite easy to track and ambush on the whole. My longer foxes tend to be opportunist, generally when I have a bigger calibre in my hands so the distance works. Re your #37, I am very happy with my WMR (even the HMR) out to around 100 yards or even a fraction more, I would not be so easy at 150 but if the situation was right it could happen, I can't imagine contemplating a fox at 200 with my WMR. Just the same, target wise, my HMR and WMR are producing more that enough accuracy and energy on the range at that distance, but the range isn't the field! Of course people shoot foxes at distance, and some need to be. I still shoot far more foxes with my rimfires than my centrefires. And .... the WMR always give me a feeling of confidence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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team tractor Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Stop it it's making me want a WMR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted August 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Am not pushing wmr mate. I shot 30wcf for years and 308,6.5 and so on. Just come full circle and still in the game, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 My foxing is a bit specialized as I know where they will be so I drive my tractor and high tower up to the 50 x100 yard pen and sit and wait. So the last 5 were all under 100 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Stop it it's making me want a WMR you stick to the .223 much better tool for foxing in my opinion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 you stick to the .223 much better tool for foxing in my opinion.... I want both tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) i had both. i had .22lr .17hmr .22wmr and .223 at the same time...sold it as it wasnt a match for my hmr on the bunnies nor the .223 on fox's and i was limited on ammo think it was remmington or cci i could buy from 3 local gun shops Edited August 17, 2015 by SPARKIE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 i had both. i had .22lr .17hmr .22wmr and .223 at the same time...sold it as it wasnt a match for my hmr on the bunnies nor the .223 on fox's and i was limited on ammo think it was remmington or cci i could buy from 3 local gun shops Of course the WMR isn't a match for the .223, but dead is dead, I had 2 last night, a surprisingly small cub at around 80 yards and an adult (different families) at around 40 yards, both went down with a HMR, they would not be any more dead with a .223! I was specifically after the bunnies on this estate, the foxes are rife in the area and the brief is to deal with them as well, but these were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Your situation seems to favour .223 for fox, such is life, my situation favours any one of many tools I can select from, and plenty of times my first choice fox rifle is a rimfire! That doesn't make a .223 or a rimfire a better fox rifle, just better in certain situations. Last nights adult had piercing blue eyes as well, only the second I have had with blue eyes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Of course the WMR isn't a match for the .223, but dead is dead, I had 2 last night, a surprisingly small cub at around 80 yards and an adult (different families) at around 40 yards, both went down with a HMR, they would not be any more dead with a .223! I was specifically after the bunnies on this estate, the foxes are rife in the area and the brief is to deal with them as well, but these were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Your situation seems to favour .223 for fox, such is life, my situation favours any one of many tools I can select from, and plenty of times my first choice fox rifle is a rimfire! That doesn't make a .223 or a rimfire a better fox rifle, just better in certain situations. Last nights adult had piercing blue eyes as well, only the second I have had with blue eyes! Never seen a fox with blue eyes before, very interesting. Agree ref calibre choice, down to personal opinion, and as you say dead is dead. I had a .223 for years now I have 2 x .17 hmrs and 2 x .243. Both result in dead foxes but to be fair the ones shot with the .17hmr are easier to get a good photo of as the .243 tends to make a lot more mess. Keep up the good work. I want both tho Get yourself down the gun shop bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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