wokkywokky Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Not sure where I stand on this one. My parents will be moving from London closer to us in rural England in a few few months. I have suggested that my father applies for his sgc as soon as possible so we can get out shooting together once they have moved. is it possible to apply for the license with the condition that his gin will be stored in my cabinet. There is currently no provision for him to install a cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sou'Wester Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Storing booze with guns, FEO might not like that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckandswing Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 He can store his gun in your cabinet, but you will need to put all the guns on each others certificates because otherwise you cannot legally access each others guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Twist of lemon in the gin? Swingduck is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Just get it all cross certificated. Easy enough if you ask nicely. David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wokkywokky Posted December 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Storing booze with guns, FEO might not like that... doesnt anyone else lock up the gin with their gun? writing on a smartphone has its drawback. thanks swingduck and kalahari. sounds like a straight forward process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) He can store his gun in your cabinet, but you will need to put all the guns on each others certificates because otherwise you cannot legally access each others guns. You sure? Edited December 1, 2015 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 He is correct! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 My shooting buddy and his wife have each other's guns in the same cabinet, ok'd last week by notts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Then all guns should be on both of their SGCs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 For the avoidance of doubt I am absolutely agreeing that all guns should be on both tickets with a shared cabinet but I had an idle thought and wondered could you argue that either of you could borrow the others gun under the 72 hour exception and therefore not need each other's guns on both tickets? Or is it likely they would argue you could take a gun without permission as you have access? Just a thought exercise really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 I can confirm that North Wales Police do not require cross-listing of shared storage shotguns. According to what I was told by them, they take it in such cases that both parties would be happy to lend to each other, and only if the 72 hour limit was likely to be reached would they want guns cross-listed. That's what we asked when SWMBO was applying for her SGC, and that's what they told us. On a subsequent visit, when she was not in, and I brought out the guns for serial number checking, no mention was made of the fact that I brought out from the cabinet a shotgun not on my ticket, as it was listed on my wife's SGC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Robbiep I can confirm that was, may still be the case as I held both my cousins shotguns for over 10 years without them being on my SGC. However when The Good Lady had her interview, the feo said he would enter all guns on both SGC's just in case we exceeded the 72 hour rule. He did all the relevant paperwork and all we had to do was sign our own SGC when they arrived Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) For the avoidance of doubt I am absolutely agreeing that all guns should be on both tickets with a shared cabinet but I had an idle thought and wondered could you argue that either of you could borrow the others gun under the 72 hour exception and therefore not need each other's guns on both tickets? Or is it likely they would argue you could take a gun without permission as you have access? Just a thought exercise really? There was a big debate on this very point on another forum. Someone with a partner who works in firearms law made the following points based on his views. The Home office guidelines state: 1.2 The term “unauthorised persons” means any person who does not have a certificate allowing them to possess the guns of the holder. So if you have a certificate you would not be considered an unauthorised person under the act as you can possess shotguns of the holder for 72 hours without them being on the licence. If the guns were then put back in their nominated cabinet before 72 hours was up there is no problem. As regards the OP I had a shared cabinet with my dad and the guns were on both licenses but we were both covered by GMP and I personally wanted the guns on my licence. I know others that were covered by two different forces and in that instance they only wanted the guns on the licence where the cabinet was located because of paperwork. Seeing as you are not classed as an unauthorised person under the act there is no reason to secure the guns from you. Edited December 1, 2015 by timps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Northumbria wanted Bro in laws and his sons guns on both certificates, Guess it's different for each force Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Then all guns should be on both of their SGCs! Not the case in notts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Northumbria wanted Bro in laws and his sons guns on both certificates, Guess it's different for each force Isn't it always in the lottery of firearms! On a minor point I've enjoyed the last several posts mentioning the 72 hour rule, the way we know it off by heart is a good sign in terms of knowing our responsibilities but it is a marvellously arbitrary number, I suppose the idea was you could borrow a shotgun for the weekend if you picked it up late Friday and dropped it off early Monday morning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja_fox Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 I share a cabinet for shotguns with the other half and Essex were fine - my guns on my ticket, hers on hers... Did get a bit more complicated when I got my FAC though, now we have a SG cabinet and a FA cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul T Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 As I understand it, SGC holders living under the same roof (e.g. husband and wife, or father and son) could share a cabinet and each would require only their own guns listing on their cert - as per Kyska's post. If the SGC holders are at different addresses then the guns should be listed on both certs in order to comply with the 72 hour rule. Either that, or you should be moving guns at least twice a week. FAC is a whole different kettle of fish, but SGC should be pretty straightforward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Your asking in the wrong place,just ring your FEO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 As I understand it, SGC holders living under the same roof (e.g. husband and wife, or father and son) could share a cabinet and each would require only their own guns listing on their cert - as per Kyska's post. If the SGC holders are at different addresses then the guns should be listed on both certs in order to comply with the 72 hour rule. Either that, or you should be moving guns at least twice a week. FAC is a whole different kettle of fish, but SGC should be pretty straightforward. Bro in law and son live in different parts of the country, So maybe that explains it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Once again, it does seem to be a bit of a lottery, doesn't it. Interpretation between forces - and even in the same police area, as shown in posts by myself and SABS - being almost random. I've dealt with various legal matters over the years, and never encountered an area with as much variable interpretation as firearms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Bro in law and son live in different parts of the country, So maybe that explains it But it doesn’t explain SABS circumstances unless his cousin lived with him. This point was also brought up in the other thread I mentioned earlier. The legal argument made rightly or wrongly was as long as the guns are in their nominated storage they are not being borrowed by anyone, they are being stored in their approved location. The only statutory requirement is to prevent access to the guns by unauthorised persons. Seeing as anyone with a shotgun licence is authorised they can have access to them just not keep them out of the nominated cabinet for more than 72 hours. If the police go to where they expect the guns to be stored they will be there and not half way across the country being borrowed. It does seem that some forces take this view others not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 But it doesnt explain SABS circumstances unless his cousin lived with him. This point was also brought up in the other thread I mentioned earlier. The legal argument made rightly or wrongly was as long as the guns are in their nominated storage they are not being borrowed by anyone, they are being stored in their approved location. The only statutory requirement is to prevent access to the guns by unauthorised persons. Seeing as anyone with a shotgun licence is authorised they can have access to them just not keep them out of the nominated cabinet for more than 72 hours. If the police go to where they expect the guns to be stored they will be there and not half way across the country being borrowed. It does seem that some forces take this view others not. No, my cousin lived at a different address. Guns listed on his licence (his address) and police notified that they were stored in my cabinet at my address. As for the guns being on TGL'S and my SGC, it wasn't a requirement, he said it was more for convenience for when you are away with the guns (I shoot both, my guns and TGL'S 20b) if that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 As I understand it, SGC holders living under the same roof (e.g. husband and wife, or father and son) could share a cabinet and each would require only their own guns listing on their cert - as per Kyska's post. If the SGC holders are at different addresses then the guns should be listed on both certs in order to comply with the 72 hour rule. Either that, or you should be moving guns at least twice a week. FAC is a whole different kettle of fish, but SGC should be pretty straightforward. not so in Sussex......share cabinet with son,all guns on both SGCs...keeps it simple if one were to go off shooting for long weekend etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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