ElvisThePelvis Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Hi I have managed to gain 2 permissions recently, really I could do with something a little more formal in writing just in case I am questioned by anyone. Does anyone have a link to a good template or an example that they could share please? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 There's one on the BASC website under "shooting" "shooting leases and agreements". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 My permission letter is a lot simpler ... I, (farmers name), of (address), do hereby confirm that (shooters name), of (address), has permission to conduct pest and vermin control on the land at (the above named farm), using any lawfully held firearm. (additional bit that my farmer gave, because he's nice). In addition, (shooter) may have up to one (1) person with him as a guest shooter, if he so wishes. Public liability insurance must be held by (shooter) and any such guest. This permission can be revoked at any time Signed ... Date ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exudate Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) What about something along the lines of:"By issue of this letter, I (INSERT FULL NAME) (hereby know as 'The Landowner') of permanent address (INSERT PERMANENT ADDRESS, EMAIL ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER) hereby give (INSERT FULL NAME) (hereby known as 'The Shooter') of permanent address (INSERT PERMANET ADDRESS, EMAIL ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER) permission to shoot on land that I have legal ownership of / the legal right to grant shooting permission upon (DELETE AS APPLICABLE) at the address of (INSERT LAND ADDRESS).The grant of shooting permission to The Shooter is subject to the following conditions:1) The shooting of (INSERT QUARRY SPECIES) for the purpose of (INSERT PURPOSE EG PEST CONTROL) with a (INSERT WEAPON TYPE(S) and CALIBRES)2) The Shooter will notify The Landowner before and after shooting via (INSERT COMMUNICATION METHOD EG PHONE CALL)3) The Shooter will have valid shooting insurance at the time of shooting4) It is the sole responsibility of The Shooter to uphold the current UK law at all times with regards to firearm ownership, use and quarry species5) INSERT OR DELETE OTHER CONDITIONS AS NECESSARYThis agreement can be terminated at any time by either The Shooter or The Landowner by sending written confirmation to the other party via letter or email to the corresponding address provided above.This agreement comes into effect by the signatures of both parties as detailed below:Name of The Shooter: INSERT NAMESignature of The Shooter: INSERT SIGNATUREDate: INSERT DATEName of The Landowner: INSERT NAMESignature of The Landowner: INSERT NAMEDate: INSERT DATEPlease also find accompanying this letter a map of the land for which shooting is permitted, showing legal land boundaries" Edited March 17, 2016 by Exudate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 As a farmer all I can say is you must be joking if you think I'm going to sign that load of complicated Tosh. I issue letters exactly as Robbiep has suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAYBURN Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 As a farmer all I can say is you must be joking if you think I'm going to sign that load of complicated Tosh. I issue letters exactly as Robbiep has suggested. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Just use the BASC one, I've had all my perms sign em. Done and dusted in 5 mins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Not that I am decrying letters giving consent in any way but I have never had a single one. My shooting is all done on trust and good manners all round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Not that I am decrying letters giving consent in any way but I have never had a single one. My shooting is all done on trust and good manners all round. I think he is after somethin in case plod are passing by, Can't see the farmer being too impressed at 3 in the morning because someone has called the police and he hasn't got a permission slip, It's more piece of mind I think, especially as they are new perms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 There was a ridiculously complex one on here years ago, I couldn't believe how many people were printing it off an using it. If you need anything, I would keep simple and to the point, it doesn't need to be any more than few lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted March 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 I think he is after somethin in case plod are passing by, Can't see the farmer being too impressed at 3 in the morning because someone has called the police and he hasn't got a permission slip, It's more piece of mind I think, especially as they are new perms Yes, exactly that, my other grounds I shoot over are club permissions so documented, it's is just incase anyone chooses to question me, I don't want to cause the landowner any inconvenience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil w Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Not worth the paper it's written on. It means zilch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Not that I am decrying letters giving consent in any way but I have never had a single one. My shooting is all done on trust and good manners all round. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted March 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Not worth the paper it's written on. It means zilch. Quite possibly, but if it avoids the land owner being disturbed it can't do any harm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) There was a ridiculously complex one on here years ago, I couldn't believe how many people were printing it off an using it. If you need anything, I would keep simple and to the point, it doesn't need to be any more than few lines. Agreed. Some of them are just too long. Does the farmer care what type and calibre of gun you are going to use? And to Exudate...I'm not nit-picking, but the shooter should uphold the law, not withhold it. But maybe only if he's a sheriff. You might want to change that. Edited March 17, 2016 by walshie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exudate Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Agreed. Some of them are just too long. Does the farmer care what type and claibre of gun you are going to use? And to Exudate...I'm not nit-picking, but the shooter should uphold the law, not withhold it. But maybe only if he's a sheriff. You might want to change that. Yes, thanks for noticing, duly edited. Damn auto-correct on my iPad! :-) I've had both extremes, where a simple email from the landowner to me saying that he's given me permission to shoot has been fine, whereas one landowner wanted something very in-depth, like the example I posted up above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Yes, thanks for noticing, duly edited. Damn auto-correct on my iPad! :-) I've had both extremes, where a simple email from the landowner to me saying that he's given me permission to shoot has been fine, whereas one landowner wanted something very in-depth, like the example I posted up above. You must live in a posh area. Landowners round here don't know what a computer is, let alone an email. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted March 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 My permission letter is a lot simpler ... I, (farmers name), of (address), do hereby confirm that (shooters name), of (address), has permission to conduct pest and vermin control on the land at (the above named farm), using any lawfully held firearm. (additional bit that my farmer gave, because he's nice). In addition, (shooter) may have up to one (1) person with him as a guest shooter, if he so wishes. Public liability insurance must be held by (shooter) and any such guest. This permission can be revoked at any time Signed ... Date ... This looks good to me, simple but to the point. Would it suffice if I were to be putting in for FAC (with the landowners knowledge of course)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 This looks good to me, simple but to the point. Would it suffice if I were to be putting in for FAC (with the landowners knowledge of course)? It would indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted March 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 It would indeed. That is fantastic news, thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 This looks good to me, simple but to the point. Would it suffice if I were to be putting in for FAC (with the landowners knowledge of course)? If putting in for FAC, you'd need to send a copy of that letter in with your application, ideally along with a map showing the farm location and boundaries. This is just to make everyone's life easier (and hopefully quicker), as your initial FAC will probably be 'closed', so the police will need to pass the land for use with the calibres asked for. Shading in the farm boundaries on the map wouldn't hurt matters either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exudate Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 You must live in a posh area. Landowners round here don't know what a computer is, let alone an email. I've only ever had that sort of top-heavy agreement (like the one I posted) once, and that was for a very large, corporate land owner. The farm where I decoy pigeon was just a phone call, a visit and then a short confirmation email, so that there was something in writing. At the end of the day, all you need to do is prove you have permission, and a one sentence email or letter from the landowner to you serves that purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted March 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 I've only ever had that sort of top-heavy agreement (like the one I posted) once, and that was for a very large, corporate land owner. The farm where I decoy pigeon was just a phone call, a visit and then a short confirmation email, so that there was something in writing. At the end of the day, all you need to do is prove you have permission, and a one sentence email or letter from the landowner to you serves that purpose. You should see the contract i had to sign for a Gamekeeper on another permission, its one stop short of an internal cavity search.. If putting in for FAC, you'd need to send a copy of that letter in with your application, ideally along with a map showing the farm location and boundaries. This is just to make everyone's life easier (and hopefully quicker), as your initial FAC will probably be 'closed', so the police will need to pass the land for use with the calibres asked for. Shading in the farm boundaries on the map wouldn't hurt matters either. Excellent, thank you. I see no harm in applying for FAC, I'm sure that the process wont get any easier and i can demonstrate 'good reason' (Rabbits and Corvids beyond shotgun range) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Not that I am decrying letters giving consent in any way but I have never had a single one. My shooting is all done on trust and good manners all round. +1. never had a permission letter in over fifty years of shooting . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Me neither, not quite 50 years but just a quick text to check its ok to shoot such and such a field. Which is more just me being polite, neither would mind or possibly even notice if I just turned up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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