Orban's speech puts EU and immigration into perspective

[Dr D]

 

Thank you for the definitions, they've proven my point exactly.

 

The crux of Mr Orbans speech is the imposition of immigrant quotas on nation states by the EU.

 

londonercsecse is of the opinion that this is biased and misleading ie. propaganda. The reality of the matter is the EU is indeed imposing quotas, therefore Mr Orban is telling the truth.

 

Ergo, 'One man's propaganda is another man's truth

Propaganda is completely different from truth. The one man's carp is antithetical. One man propoganda is not anothers truth. I prove nothing other than the total meaningless of the statement. One of the men is simply wrong. I am betting it is the Hungarian PM.

 

 

 

Propaganda is completely different from truth. The one man's carp is antithetical. One man propoganda is not anothers truth. I prove nothing other than the total meaningless of the statement. One of the men is simply wrong. I am betting it is the Hungarian PM.

 

You're not quite getting this are you?

 

What some may see as propaganda others may see as truth. It all depends on peoples perspective. To say one man is simply wrong is no argument.

 

The old saying 'one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter' is a clear example of what I'm saying. As someone living in N.Ireland I'm sure you will have heard the very same argument made about the likes of the IRA? Terrorist or freedom fighter will depend on what you believe.

Ask an Israeli if Hamas are terrorists or freedom fighters and the answer will be diametrically opposed to the opinion of a Palestinian.

 

My statement was quite clear and unambiguous, designed to make a simple point without having to go into a long winded description,

Most people I'm sure, would have understood the point I was making, as I'm sure deep down, you did too.

Surely your not that stupid. One man's terrorist v freedom fighter is premised upon the fact that person in question can be one and the same dependent upon a world view. By contrast there is no such thing as 'one man's truth'!!!! There is only the truth and then a falsehood. Really, if your going to do a bit of armchair philosophy at least make some sense.

[fenboy]

I just read this on facebook , make's me think a move down under would be a good thing.

 

Australian Prime Minister does it again!! This woman should be appointed Queen of the World.. Truer words have never been spoken.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard- Australia:

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..

Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:

'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society .... Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.' 'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

[rjimmer]

Nothing personal. Just can't stand corruption, lies, brainwashing, etc. Anywhere.

Especially in council planning departments, my pet hate.

[felly100]

Fenboy, it's a complete load of pants that.

It was never said I'm afrId.

[poontang]

Surely your not that stupid. One man's terrorist v freedom fighter is premised upon the fact that person in question can be one and the same dependent upon a world view. By contrast there is no such thing as 'one man's truth'!!!! There is only the truth and then a falsehood. Really, if your going to do a bit of armchair philosophy at least make some sense.

 

You're still not getting it are you?

 

Never mind.

 

poontang PhD(a)

[pinfireman]

A very measured and well put together speech, I wonder what sort of a reaction that sort of speech would have over here if we had a politician with the cojones to deliver and mean it?

They sound like the words of a man with his nations future in mind, not just looking to secure his own political future.

We need our own Orban here.

We had one............his name was Enoch Powell..........and we allowed all the mealy mouthed politicians and journalists to crucify him! Everything he said came true!

[pinfireman]

 

I just read this on facebook , make's me think a move down under would be a good thing.

 

Australian Prime Minister does it again!! This woman should be appointed Queen of the World.. Truer words have never been spoken.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard- Australia:

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..

Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:

'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.

I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society .... Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.' 'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

 

It was John Howard, a former Prime Minister, NOT Gillard, a Labour pro-migrant PM !

[pinfireman]

Enoch Powell prophesised all this......and we crucified him! He was right!

[poontang]

It was John Howard, a former Prime Minister, NOT Gillard, a Labour pro-migrant PM !

 

It's mostly based on an opinion piece by an American. Very little of the text can be attributed to the Aussies.

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/likeitorleaveit.asp

[deadeye18]

Well said Mr Oban!

[daveboy]

I read somewhere that the Remain leaflets are being posted to 20million households before the restrictions

on spending come into force.

[rodp]

Just hope this brexit isn't just a big con. Doesn't seem to be a lot happening regarding getting folk on side. Wouldn't surprise me at all if it ends up as a damp squib then the leaders (farage - Bojo etc) just toddle off to some comfy job for life, sponsored by the EU.

[Rewulf]

Nicky Morgan harping on this morning about how this countries young will suffer most from a Brexit.

Something along the lines of the EU s vast jobs market,and how that will be 'denied ' to the next generation ,blah blah.

The irony of the statement is staggering.

How many times have you heard of people of any age saying 'Goodbye Im off to work in Poland ,Lithuania,Hungary ect, because the wages are so much better there '

Id love to know the figures of how many Brits leave to work,and how many we take from the EU , 1 out ,10 in ?

I havnt seen a remain statement yet that couldnt be blown out the water.

[gemini52]

Regardless of this mans intententions,he speaks the truth,its about time the fence sitters take on board what it means to remain in the eu for are children and grandchildren,the time has come to get out before its to late.

[besty57]

Watch the tonight program .7.30 pm.itv,apperently 300.000 + migrants came here last year!but the gov issued 600.000 + .N I.numbers.whats the truth , I know we we'll never find out

[Vince Green]

Nicky Morgan harping on this morning about how this countries young will suffer most from a Brexit.

Something along the lines of the EU s vast jobs market,and how that will be 'denied ' to the next generation ,blah blah.

The irony of the statement is staggering.

How many times have you heard of people of any age saying 'Goodbye Im off to work in Poland ,Lithuania,Hungary ect, because the wages are so much better there '

Id love to know the figures of how many Brits leave to work,and how many we take from the EU , 1 out ,10 in ?

I havnt seen a remain statement yet that couldnt be blown out the water.

To be honest, it would make a lot of sense to go and live in some of these countries if you wanted to get a lot for your money. That wouldn't be to work though, I was thinking more of the young retired who traditionally headed for Spain etc.