kody Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 A mate of mine put in for his renewal 10 months ago and still hasn't got it They issued him with a section 7 and that run out 2weeks ago this is just not acceptable anyone waited this long this is Thames valley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 I totally agree, but what can we say? Increased fees and increased waiting times it would appear. I'd suggest contacting your shooting organisation but it doesn't matter which one you're with as there's nothing any of them can or will do. Worth every penny? Your mate could inform his local newspaper, or better still the BBC, or his MP that he is in illegal possession of his own firearms due to his licensing authorities negligence or apathy, but I doubt he'll be willing to do this. It's going to take something along those lines to get something to sit up and take notice. Meanwhile, your licensing authority couldn't care less how long it takes; the matter is beyond their control seemingly, and they will simply blame a lack of resources. Perhaps they've lost your mates application? Who knows? Or more to the point...who cares? His licensing authority clearly don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmaxphil Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Blinking hell where does he live !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kody Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Blinking hell where does he live !!! Thames valley area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 So much for BASC only accepting higher fees in exchange for the service to gun owners improving significantly!......The police got their higher fees and what did legal gun owners get?........a worse service and a longer wait! Doesn't sound much of a successful outcome to me? And what about the ten year certificate? Surely we should have got this as part of the deal.......prior to agreeing higher certificate fees, not capitulate in the hope we get it later!!!!! maybe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wilksy Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Whoah! It's one case in one county! Put the tar and feathers away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbox Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Always had good service from Thames valley... Hope he gets it sorted soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 It's nowt to do with "tar and feathers" or unfair critism! it's sheer frustration that lawful shooters and gun owners constantly get unfairly shafted!......its a simple enough question.......... how can shootings representative bodies expect respect, support and loyalty from their membership when they consistently surrender, give away everything......and secure nothing in return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 It's nowt to do with "tar and feathers" or unfair critism! it's sheer frustration that lawful shooters and gun owners constantly get unfairly shafted!......its a simple enough question.......... how can shootings representative bodies expect respect, support and loyalty from their membership when they consistently surrender, give away everything......and secure nothing in return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimo22 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Had my renewal with Thames Valley since Dec last year. Just recieved a temp certificate but not all guns are on it. There was a letter with the certificate saying it may be wrong but it is Ok. No other organisation would get away with this but no one will take them to task Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Had my renewal with Thames Valley since Dec last year. Just recieved a temp certificate but not all guns are on it. There was a letter with the certificate saying it may be wrong but it is Ok. No other organisation would get away with this but no one will take them to task Along with the OP's mate, this appears to be a case of a couple of pointy stick type letters to the PCC pointing out what a right ineffectual and useless idiot his Constabulary is making him look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 A mate of mine put in for his renewal 10 months ago and still hasn't got it They issued him with a section 7 and that run out 2weeks ago this is just not acceptable anyone waited this long this is Thames valley At face value this is disgusting. Are you sure your mate doesn't have an "issue" regarding renewal? Hopefully he is a member of a shooting organisation? If he is he ought to rattle a few cages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Whoah! It's one case in one county! Put the tar and feathers away! Quite, I get excellent, pragmatic service, not as efficient as leices which was my old local, but not far off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wilksy Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Has there been any mention of the bloke in question being in a shooting organisation though? If there hasn't then I'd say that's 'unfair criticism' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Quite, I get excellent, pragmatic service, not as efficient as leices which was my old local, but not far off. Quality of service ain't judged on one or two individual successes or failures.......but on overall performance, what gun owners need is a national service level agreement, when individual issuing authorities consistently fall below this agreed level...........they should be held to account and forced to improve! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil w Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Northern Ireland, are testing a new pilot scheme at the moment.It's the way ahead hopefully !!. Just need to review the fee's, If they start It over here. This Is for 1 for 1 exchanges In banded calibres. I for one would pay the set charges. If I had to wait ridiculous time scales to be granted a variation. Who knows if they take a different approach,this could speed up a grant or renewal. Clearly some regions have a lot of work needed. I'm fortunate not to be In one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimo22 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 This is not just a problem with one certificate holder, Thames valley are giving thousands of temp certificates out, I am one of four in our club who has been waiting 6 months and then get a temp certificate that you can not buy or sell a gun on. It is really inconvenient as I wanted to go to the game fair to look for a new gun but it will be a waste of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom R Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Try Essex. A year for a grant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordfowler Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 This not a one off for renewals within Thames Valley. From what I can see it is pretty much standard service that we can expect in this area at the moment and for the foreseeable future. I am still waiting for my SGC renewal to arrive. Posted to TVP on Aug 20th 2015 - telephone "interview 1st Feb 2016. A chap that I shoot with posted his renewal in July 2015 new SGC arrived last week. The firearms dept would appear to have been kept short of staff and money coupled with the 5 year spike in renewals (for which no planning is apparent) thence the severe backlog. BASC are aware of the situation within TVP. I have recently emailed the firearms dept - no reply as yet. I have also had an exchange of emails with our PCC who rather than explain what he is doing/planning to improve the service replied that he had forwarded my concerns on to the firearms senior officer. So he has past the buck back to the department where the problem is. OH he replied to a previous email (sent during the recent election run up) that he was aware (so why had he allowed that situation to occur) and had allocated some extra money and there are 2 extra staff being taken on. I did tell the PCC that I was disappointed with his response. His reply ~~ nothing more he can do. Being very patient at the moment but it is getting more difficult. Having waited nearly 10 months only a little longer And my temp cert expires on the 20th of July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Is anyone from TVP going to contact the BBC to tell them some firearms owners are being left in illegal possession of their own firearms due to the incompetence of their licensing authorities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Well, if it was another county I'd claim that the huge cutbacks must have understaffed them.. but Thames valley, really... I mean, they have the money to send police helicopters for HOURS on end over normal towns for no real reason than to... well nobody really knows; but I can guarantee a couple hours of flight time of the police helicopter would fund a police officer for a year to deal with SGCs... But then again, desk job, boring, no satisfaction of running around looking important and stopping Crims, or spending the day on Twitter catching Crims who tweet silly things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yardman Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 I live in the Met area and have just renewed my Co-terminous certificates.From posting my application, to getting my certificates in the post was less than a week.And that included adding permission to acquire a section 1 shotgun.Why do renewal times vary so much between neighbouring forces ? It's ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 shirly a 10 year licence would help alleviate this situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geo Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Try Essex. A year for a grant!I have posted about this on here before, I also waited the best part of a year for a grant in Essex but sought help from the Countryside Alliance , they responded and helped by giving me some good lines to include in my e-mail to the PCC and it was all sorted 3 weeks later. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 shirly a 10 year licence would help alleviate this situation? it took years to go from a 3 year to a five year licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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