Sturgeon rebuffed at Brussels today

[McSpredder]

...I don't think the Scottish politicians really want to be totally independent...

Many in Scotland would like to be independent of Westminster, but perhaps not so many want to be independent of Barnett (referring to the formula, not the London borough).

[saddler]

An independent Scotland would save a fortune on government expenditure.....they'd not need any staff to process the Westminster bail out money as that'd end, plus no money IN would mean the staff employed to dish out the freebies & housing benefit to the unemployable masses could also given the elbow.

Massive savings there....

 

Only revenue stream for the ex-dole-wallers will be Border Guards in the Surgeon Secure Zone, on 2 Euros a day & as much salty porridge as they desire.

The ones not Border Guards will be smuggling English socialist welfare workers through the border into Scotland.

 

The lucky few can get a job for President Trump & work for a Green Card to get out for good.

[Vince Green]

Iv told you pootang ur opinion counts for nothing north of the border,you no nothing .don't worry ur little southern self it won't involve you or ur trolls down there.

No, so you don't want our opinions, just our money ? Right! got it now, understood

Edited July 1, 2016 by Vince Green

[saddler]

So you no how the scots are thinking and voting pootang,give me the lottery numbers next .you must hv a crystal ball down there.I'm sure I no more scots than you.

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Aye...no is right....

[shaun4860]

Can we please stop all the insults now as it's getting silly....

 

If it continues then it goes,

 

Friendly banter is one thing but nastiness is another

 

[poontang]

So you no how the scots are thinking and voting pootang,

 

 

You thought you were going to win last time round, and you didn't, and I hate to burst your bubble but you would lose again.

 

I could explain why I think that, but fear it would be lost on you.

[12gauge82]

To Any Scots on here, why do you want to go independent?

[felly100]

English people smell?

[saddler]

Europe is bigger, so they MUST have more free handouts for Scotland?

[TONY R]

To Any Scots on here, why do you want to go independent?

OH! loads of reasons Edward the first trashed the shepheards hut near manquill and then there was his soldiers stole a chicken near west barns. The saddle stolen from the horse teather outside the bakers in trenant in 1816, need i go on.

[12gauge82]

Now now play nicely guys 😉

[Laird Lugton]

To Any Scots on here, why do you want to go independent?

 

 

I don't, does that answer your question?

[johnphilip]

To Any Scots on here, why do you want to go independent?

 

I don,t and never will if it,s not broken then just leave it, that woman is hell bent at all costs. One person should not to be able to bring a country to its knees, then just walk away from it.

 

When Gorden Brown was a young man he always wanted to be P M of the country it is OK wanting to be someone, but be able to do it is totally differant. Dreams can be very dangerous.

[12gauge82]

 

 

I don't, does that answer your question?

Apologies I see your point, I of course meant any Scots who want to leave, I do all my pigeon watch posting on a phone and it's not always the best for typing hence my poor grammar and spelling, that's my excuse any way

[Laird Lugton]

Apologies I see your point, I of course meant any Scots who want to leave, I do all my pigeon watch posting on a phone and it's not always the best for typing hence my poor grammar and spelling, that's my excuse any way

 

 

[12gauge82]

I don,t and never will if it,s not broken then just leave it, that woman is hell bent at all costs. One person should not to be able to bring a country to its knees, then just walk away from it.

 

When Gorden Brown was a young man he always wanted to be P M of the country it is OK wanting to be someone, but be able to do it is totally differant. Dreams can be very dangerous.

Interesting, I'm not a fan of sturgeon although I do understand the anger that some Scots feel towards Westminster although I think the whole country feels it to, just wondering if that's the main thing driving the independent vote, I'm sure there's many complexitys to it

[12gauge82]

Having moved from Wales to Scotland I've got to say it's a absolutely beautiful country and full of friendly people, I love the space up here, I'd stay out of a vote on independence as I don't understand fully the driving forces behind it

[poontang]

 

You thought you were going to win last time round, and you didn't, and I hate to burst your bubble but you would lose again.

 

I could explain why I think that, but fear it would be lost on you.

 

 

The Welsh hv asked the English if they could put there buckets out as there no coming home,they would hv asked the scots but there busy at wimbledon.

 

Looks like I was right. You base you're argument for an independent Scotland on English football results.

 

That should do it.

[FalconFN]

Philip_70, if you don't mind, what are the reasons why you'd like Scotland to be an independent country - apart from the obvious smell and poor ball kicking abliltis of the englsh?

 

Also, after independence would you like Scotland to be a member of the EU, and presumably use the Euro as currency too?

 

I'd be genuinely interested in your, or anybody elses reasons.

[sako751sg]

 

My opinion may not count for anything north of the border, very much in the same way yours counts for nothing down here.

 

However, I do know something... and that is that you would lose another referendum vote. I would normally put some of my fine English pounds on the outcome but if by some strange happening you won your groats would be worthless to me.

 

Usually its the loser that has to give to the winner so surely you wouldnt be receiving any groats as he won or am i missing something?

[rodp]

OH! loads of reasons Edward the first trashed the shepheards hut near manquill and then there was his soldiers stole a chicken near west barns. The saddle stolen from the horse teather outside the bakers in trenant in 1816, need i go on.

:lol:

[krugerandsmith]

English people smell?

 

No .... They Stink .... You smell.

[scotslad]

The simple fact is most scots don't reguard themselves as british, they don't all want independence thou.

Most scots view westminster the same as the majority of english view brussels, even a fair % of the remain voters wouldn't consider thm selves as european or have any love for it, just easier having status quo or can see financial benefit etc

 

Mostly the exact same arguments can be wheeled out more local government planning spending to suit wot the country actually needs.

And at moment Westminster is really not that relevant to scotland anymore with the new powers at holyrood as so much stuff is devolved. At moment scots/NI/welsh are paying taxes to fund 3 different parliments with there own, westminster and EU, just more and more snout in the trough.

To be honest it sort of makes ense to vote for Snp MP's s there only policy is to stick up for scotland (althou very few votes will actually make any difference/relevance nowadays) whereas if they where lab/tory they would be voting along party lines nomatter would impact that had on scotland.

If u ad a local yorkshire/cornwall politicain that would stick up for his constuancy over all else is that not who u'd vote for

 

During the olympics not that any scots bother watching or would bother to cheer for a british athelte, u'd never see it on in a pub, i'd only ever watch a race if there was a scot in it.

 

Even if u take the fitba, why do u bother wether or not scotland fans are suporting a foriegn team?? I couldn't care less wether anyone else wants to support scotland, really none of my business. If it makes u feel better then great but no one really cares

Even at the rugby u go to a welsh or irish game (or even the french to a lesser degree) edinburgh's heaving, the early pubs are stowed out its great craic, go u for an england game, just white jerseys everywhere as the craic's not as good so no one bothers going out the same

 

 

The Snp are a very slick very PR orientated machine, been in power for 3 terms now, hospitals, schools roads, police etc are still rubish and have got worse yet them seem to be untouchable.

They go on about anti austerity yet have frozen council tax fo last 9 years so struggling local councils who fix potholes collect rubbish etc infact do most off the things that really matter are absolutely skint and cutting back big time

Even recently there has ben quite a few different scandals, fiddles and affairs etc but never really makes big news or damages their reputation whereas if it was a tory it would be all over the place

 

I can't stand 99% off wot the SNP do or stand for but u have to grudgingly admire wot they've done, they are very clever. Sturgeon is about the only politician to come out of this brexit with any dignity, if she wasleading a big renglish party they would not be in the mess they are now

 

If u look at the figures from that referndum 2 years ago apart from 16-18 yrs olds in every category up to 55 yrs old there was far more Yes voters, it was the over 55's and esp over 65's that kept the union. No only won by 400k votes, how many english do u think lives in scotlandand voted No?

 

I think the union is broke beyond repair now, u only have to look at some of the comments on here, i may be baised but if u replaced the word scot/jock with other nationalites/colours u'd be getting banned for inciting racial hatred.

There has always been some anti english feeling by a minority just he same as alawys been anti scots feelig by a minority, but seems to be getting far more anti scots feeling now esp on here.

U say we're all in it together and all equal, u wouldn't think so when u read some of the posts on here.

[Scully]

I can perfectly understand why any nation wouldn't want to be ruled by another. Didn't England fight wars to that effect?

[krugerandsmith]

The simple fact is most scots don't reguard themselves as british, they don't all want independence thou.

Most scots view westminster the same as the majority of english view brussels, even a fair % of the remain voters wouldn't consider thm selves as european or have any love for it, just easier having status quo or can see financial benefit etc

 

Mostly the exact same arguments can be wheeled out more local government planning spending to suit wot the country actually needs.

And at moment Westminster is really not that relevant to scotland anymore with the new powers at holyrood as so much stuff is devolved. At moment scots/NI/welsh are paying taxes to fund 3 different parliments with there own, westminster and EU, just more and more snout in the trough.

To be honest it sort of makes ense to vote for Snp MP's s there only policy is to stick up for scotland (althou very few votes will actually make any difference/relevance nowadays) whereas if they where lab/tory they would be voting along party lines nomatter would impact that had on scotland.

If u ad a local yorkshire/cornwall politicain that would stick up for his constuancy over all else is that not who u'd vote for

 

During the olympics not that any scots bother watching or would bother to cheer for a british athelte, u'd never see it on in a pub, i'd only ever watch a race if there was a scot in it.

 

Even if u take the fitba, why do u bother wether or not scotland fans are suporting a foriegn team?? I couldn't care less wether anyone else wants to support scotland, really none of my business. If it makes u feel better then great but no one really cares

Even at the rugby u go to a welsh or irish game (or even the french to a lesser degree) edinburgh's heaving, the early pubs are stowed out its great craic, go u for an england game, just white jerseys everywhere as the craic's not as good so no one bothers going out the same

 

 

The Snp are a very slick very PR orientated machine, been in power for 3 terms now, hospitals, schools roads, police etc are still rubish and have got worse yet them seem to be untouchable.

They go on about anti austerity yet have frozen council tax fo last 9 years so struggling local councils who fix potholes collect rubbish etc infact do most off the things that really matter are absolutely skint and cutting back big time

Even recently there has ben quite a few different scandals, fiddles and affairs etc but never really makes big news or damages their reputation whereas if it was a tory it would be all over the place

 

I can't stand 99% off wot the SNP do or stand for but u have to grudgingly admire wot they've done, they are very clever. Sturgeon is about the only politician to come out of this brexit with any dignity, if she wasleading a big renglish party they would not be in the mess they are now

 

If u look at the figures from that referndum 2 years ago apart from 16-18 yrs olds in every category up to 55 yrs old there was far more Yes voters, it was the over 55's and esp over 65's that kept the union. No only won by 400k votes, how many english do u think lives in scotlandand voted No?

 

I think the union is broke beyond repair now, u only have to look at some of the comments on here, i may be baised but if u replaced the word scot/jock with other nationalites/colours u'd be getting banned for inciting racial hatred.

There has always been some anti english feeling by a minority just he same as alawys been anti scots feelig by a minority, but seems to be getting far more anti scots feeling now esp on here.

U say we're all in it together and all equal, u wouldn't think so when u read some of the posts on here.

 

I can fully understand your feelings having read up on the Highland Clearances but ..... Why is the Duke of Sutherlands statue above Dornoch?