7.5 for pigeon.....

[bazzab]

Hi all

 

 

I don't want a huge debate over what's right and what's not... so my question isn't for people's opinions on should we....

 

 

Does anyone use 7.5 28gram carts on pigeons? If so which ones and do you tend to keep ranges down?

 

 

Just been sat thinking.....

 

Many thanks.

[TONY R]

I do use c7.5s in 28gram loads for pigeons, dont deliberatly make any reduced range alowance and never noticed any advantages using 6s in 1 oz loads over 7.5s.

No brand though im afraid i reload.

[oldypigeonpopper]

hello, although i have not done much shooting lately i bought some 7.5 28g and shot about 100 most on corvids and found they are good even with the smaller shot size compared with a 29/30g 6s HV cartridge, with half choke in the semi and 1/4 and full in the S/S patterns are good but keep in a decent shot range of 40 yrds well that is my thought.

[the crowman]

When I use 7.5 28g i go choke full full and shoot over 45yrds no problem 👍👍👍

[hawkfanz]

everyone has there own take on this but for me 71/2 are not man enough for pigeon or crows unless close in, i only use that size for clays.

[bazzab]

Yep as I said mate wasn't a are they OK question.....

[bang bang birdy]

Fine for me went out this morning for an hour with a pocket of eley first 7.5g and had 3 crows and a pigeon. Those 4 had no complaints.

[evo]

I use 7.5,s on the pigeons but not crows, I,ll use whatever is the cheapest because they all go bang,,

[motty]

I shot 74 pigeons on rape in a short session on Sunday afternoon. I used mainly Lyalvale English sporter and those Kent 2016 shells. I killed pigeons stone dead at around 55 yards with these cartridges, through 3/4 choke.

[hawkfanz]

cost doesnt come into it i use what i think is best for the job.

[bazzab]

OK.... that's great.

 

Do you use them??

 

I'm going with no. I didn't ask what people thought mate.

 

I asked who does use them.

[Stonepark]

Me, but not everything is what it says on tin, gamebore blackgold etc are continetal 7.5's, as are rio, fiocchi, rc etc

 

Prefer whitegold, 7.5 28g but also used fiocchi TT1, 7.5 28.

 

Any of those will kill to 45 yards.

[eastdevon]

Have been using express power reds through half choke no issues with these!!

[rbrowning2]

I mainly load my own so I know what the shot size really is, but when I do buy I buy a 7.5 cartridges using a Italian shot size which will be 2.4mm or uk #7 which is a much better option I think.

 

As traditional writings state you need 4 pellets with no less than 0.7 foot-pounds of energy per pellet to cleanly kill a pigeon then

With a typical cheap clay cartridges velocities the uk 7.5 shot will only have this energy out to around 40yards but the 7 shot will be out to around 50yards. Choke 3/4 to full.

 

To smaller a pellet or to thinner pattern will risk wounding the bird rather than a nice clean kill which I hope you agree is what we want.

 

Rb

[dougall]

yes use clay loads,especially in summer when decoying well.an oz of 7/7.5s very effective at decoying ranges,only time they can be found out is an up the jacksie shot at range limits.But pattern kills and clay shells pattern very well.

[Milo]

Hi all

 

 

I don't want a huge debate over what's right and what's not... so my question isn't for people's opinions on should we....

 

 

Does anyone use 7.5 28gram carts on pigeons? Yes. If so which ones Hull Comp X mostly (because they are soft through my side by sides) but pretty much any will do. and do you tend to keep ranges down? No. They do the job.

Just been sat thinking.....

 

Many thanks.

Edited August 5, 2016 by Milo

[wymberley]

I mainly load my own so I know what the shot size really is, but when I do buy I buy a 7.5 cartridges using a Italian shot size which will be 2.4mm or uk #7 which is a much better option I think.

 

As traditional writings state you need 4 pellets with no less than 0.7 foot-pounds of energy per pellet to cleanly kill a pigeon then

With a typical cheap clay cartridges velocities the uk 7.5 shot will only have this energy out to around 40yards but the 7 shot will be out to around 50yards. Choke 3/4 to full.

 

To smaller a pellet or to thinner pattern will risk wounding the bird rather than a nice clean kill which I hope you agree is what we want.

 

Rb

I was under the impression that 3 pellets ("not on average but with each shot" - this quoted piece is my opinion) each having 0.85 ft/lbs was the traditional requirement. Burrard, Thomas, et al.

[Hamster]

I was under the impression that 3 pellets ("not on average but with each shot" - this quoted piece is my opinion) each having 0.85 ft/lbs was the traditional requirement. Burrard, Thomas, et al.

 

Whether it's 3 or 4 pellets per bird it is patently wrong because it is simply not possible to apply such absolutes to something as variable as live game. Not only will velocities, weather conditions (thus birds optimum physical condition), plumage density (according to angle), and a host of other factors vary the fact remains that 1 pellet in the head or neck is better than 10 in the legs.

 

Many of these old charts and musings are essentially the product of people who liked the sound of their own voices and no doubt revelled in the admiring respect it brought them within the sport. I have plucked hundreds of pigeon with 4 or more pellets in that I'd had to wring the neck to kill or it'd would have walked around for hours if not days. Nonsense I tells you.

[Hamster]

.85 lbs kinetic energy per pellet .

 

There is literally no way you could measure and quantify this rubbish TODAY how they managed it 60 years ago is anyones guess.

[NorfolkAYA]

Rio target load 28 gram 7.5 (English 7) through 1/4 and 1/2. At £3.40 a box you can't complain

[Stonepark]

 

Whether it's 3 or 4 pellets per bird it is patently wrong because it is simply not possible to apply such absolutes to something as variable as live game. Not only will velocities, weather conditions (thus birds optimum physical condition), plumage density (according to angle), and a host of other factors vary the fact remains that 1 pellet in the head or neck is better than 10 in the legs.

 

Many of these old charts and musings are essentially the product of people who liked the sound of their own voices and no doubt revelled in the admiring respect it brought them within the sport. I have plucked hundreds of pigeon with 4 or more pellets in that I'd had to wring the neck to kill or it'd would have walked around for hours if not days. Nonsense I tells you.

 

Whilst the oldies may not be accurate, the general principle still apply, things have not changed that much.

 

3/4 pellets into vital areas will kill, as you are getting 6/7 strikes to the bird, the problem is a lot of this is taken out of context or misquoted and not caveat-ed properly

 

.85 lbs kinetic energy per pellet .

 

There is literally no way you could measure and quantify this rubbish TODAY how they managed it 60 years ago is any ones guess.

 

By carrying out observation, studies, tests etc... people were not guessing in the past.

 

 

Just because it is not 'modern' does not mean it is not relevant or accurate.

[Penelope]

Yes, Eley First Select fibre wad and I happily take birds on at up to 40yds.

 

Hi all


I don't want a huge debate over what's right and what's not... so my question isn't for people's opinions on should we....


Does anyone use 7.5 28gram carts on pigeons? If so which ones and do you tend to keep ranges down?


Just been sat thinking.....

Many thanks.

[Hamster]

 

Whilst the oldies may not be accurate, the general principle still apply, things have not changed that much.

 

3/4 pellets into vital areas will kill, as you are getting 6/7 strikes to the bird, the problem is a lot of this is taken out of context or misquoted and not caveat-ed properly

 

 

By carrying out observation, studies, tests etc... people were not guessing in the past.

 

 

Just because it is not 'modern' does not mean it is not relevant or accurate.

 

Unless it's accurate and therefore measurable, it is meaningless hot air.

 

I've pole axed birds at 50 yards on which body I could barely find a mark and broke the necks of those that should have bled out and died of blood loss going by the number of strikes.

 

When I first started shotgunning I read everything I could get my hands on, same with ferrets, pigeon, clays, you name it. Pretty graphs told me that somebody had smoked a pipe in smart clothes and decide that since a charge of Imp cylinder placed enough pellets on a sheet at 40 yards to ensure 4 hits on the body of a pheasant, that this proved anything more was not only unnecessary but may even be a handicap. Utter rubbish of course as we now know or regular/expert pheasant shots wouldn't routinely use very tight chokes.

 

To me unless a concept is provable scientifically then it shall remain nothing but an opinion.

[rbrowning2]

Remember back then they were shooting live pigeons in place of clay pigeons the word pull comes from releasing the live bird.

So they had lots of opportunity to arrive at these type of findings. It was a time of learning and creativity was it not?

 

I agree a single pellet to the head with suffient energy to penetrate would kill, but the 3 or 4 pellets with 0.7 foot-pounds was a bench mark to ensure a clean kill. Not a lucky pellet that happens to hit the head after all it is a shotgun not a rifle.

It is no good having the energy without the pattern and visa a versa.

 

For me uk 7 (or 6 1/2) does all I ask of it shooting pigeons over decoys and I will continue to trust works of the like of major sir Gerald Burrard and others.

[Whitebridges]

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For me uk 7 (or 6 1/2) does all I ask of it shooting pigeons over decoys and I will continue to trust works of the like of major sir Gerald Burrard and others.

 

That's all I ever look for in a shell for woody usually in 32g flavour e.g. Express Super Game, Eley HB Pigeon. Hull Sovereign in 28g also work very well.