Just dropped £70 on two Teaugue Chokes

[OJW]

I attempted to do some research on this using the search function, I came across a 4 page topic which started well but ended badly. Some people like Teagues and others feel they don't make a difference. My hope is that they will produce an even and dense pattern at range.

 

I also trusted the below testimonial made by Robert Everitt of Hull Cartridge Co and hope that it rings true:

 

TEAGUE pattern kills! I would never have believed that a precision choke could make such a difference. Just as importantly, the information that I got from Nigel and Ivan has greatly improved my confidence. A 3/8ths choke that out -performs 1/2 and even 3/4 in some guns...That’s the edge I need..

[Cant hit them all]

Mk38 teague sporter. There is also a very big name that use teague in there guns quite a old gun English gun company

[Walker570]

You've still got to centre the pattern

[Wingman]

Its Just a choke theres no magic with any of them. I have spent loads on teagues brileys and cheap Carlson's. Have not noticed ANY difference and in fact when I patterned the gun the original chokes that came with my Winchester threw the best pattern. I won't be burning any more dosh on expensive chokes that's for sure!

 

But if it makes you feel like your shooting has improved then it's value for money!!

Edited October 9, 2016 by Wingman

[bornfree]

If you want a choke that out performs a 1/2 or 3/4 just put in the full choke that came with your gun and save yourself a few quid.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Have you patterned the chokes that came with your gun?

 

Have you patterned various cartridges to establish what sort of pattern you are getting?

 

Have you worked out your desired range?

 

Until you do you will not be able to base your requirements on anything or know whether you are exceeding them.

[ronnie12342003]

when i started shooting in the late 70s i asked my gran dad what chokes do i need in my gun he just clipped me up the side of the head nuff said

[geordieh]

I attempted to do some research on this using the search function, I came across a 4 page topic which started well but ended badly. Some people like Teagues and others feel they don't make a difference. My hope is that they will produce an even and dense pattern at range.

 

I also trusted the below testimonial made by Robert Everitt of Hull Cartridge Co and hope that it rings true:

 

 

TEAGUE pattern kills! I would never have believed that a precision choke could make such a difference. Just as importantly, the information that I got from Nigel and Ivan has greatly improved my confidence. A 3/8ths choke that out -performs 1/2 and even 3/4 in some guns...That’s the edge I need..

And you believed him!!!!!!!!!! 2-3 degrees Celsius difference in temp and the density of colder air can alter your shot pattern so your pattern from your expensive chokes can alter from day to day

[walt1980]

So many people over think the whole choke thing,

Whatever you have in it it'll always be a compromise unless you change your chokes on every stand or before every bird decoys in or flys overhead!! It's frustrating when you're expecting the birds to decoy in and they don't, cyl or 1/4 isn't great on long shots, or when you've got a full choke in and they come in so close it looks like you shot a pillow!

For the majority putting the shot that comes out of whatever choke your using in the right place is more important.

Personally, send the chokes back and book a lesson maybe?!

 

As for the statement on the original post, maybe there's some tie in with Hull and Teague?

[OJW]

Very interesting that some people have noticed zero results when using them. I also agree that chokes never used to be a thing and that the purist view would be to keep whatever chokes you have in and just get on with it. In terms of it being more about putting the lead in the right place, yes of course it is!

 

 

Have you patterned the chokes that came with your gun?

 

Have you patterned various cartridges to establish what sort of pattern you are getting?

 

Have you worked out your desired range?

 

Until you do you will not be able to base your requirements on anything or know whether you are exceeding them.

 

Yes - But the results vary depending on the cartridge used and I will be honest in that I haven't gone and bought a wide variety of cartridges to compare the results as I can't afford to. I only compared my normal ones that I have in stock for pigeons or game. I hope that with the Teagues I will seem more consistent results. As for my desired range, I don't know exactly what you mean. I would take a decoying pigeon at much closer ranges than I would a pheasants.The chokes I have bought are 1/2 and 3/4 so I have gone for fairly adaptable ones in terms of range on game.

 

So many people over think the whole choke thing,
Whatever you have in it it'll always be a compromise unless you change your chokes on every stand or before every bird decoys in or flys overhead!! It's frustrating when you're expecting the birds to decoy in and they don't, cyl or 1/4 isn't great on long shots, or when you've got a full choke in and they come in so close it looks like you shot a pillow!
For the majority putting the shot that comes out of whatever choke your using in the right place is more important.
Personally, send the chokes back and book a lesson maybe?!

As for the statement on the original post, maybe there's some tie in with Hull and Teague?

 

Maybe he has a tie. I prefer to take them at their word as he has a big media presence and his own brand to think about. I totally agree with you, pigeons can present such a wide range of targets you have to compromise. I haven't bought the chokes because I was missing what I was trying to kill and in need of lessons (although I could probably do with some!), but rather because I wanted to upgrade and most of the professionals seem to think Teague chokes are the best.

[Hamster]

 

I attempted to do some research on this using the search function, I came across a 4 page topic which started well but ended badly. Some people like Teagues and others feel they don't make a difference. My hope is that they will produce an even and dense pattern at range.

 

I also trusted the below testimonial made by Robert Everitt of Hull Cartridge Co and hope that it rings true:

 

TEAGUE pattern kills! I would never have believed that a precision choke could make such a difference. Just as importantly, the information that I got from Nigel and Ivan has greatly improved my confidence. A 3/8ths choke that out -performs 1/2 and even 3/4 in some guns...That’s the edge I need..

 

 

This is utter rubbish talk, the writer simply doesn't understand chokes and how they work and how they are measured. If a 3/8th "outperforms" a 1/2 or 3/4 then it is no longer a 3/8th . Choke is a measured PERFORMANCE of percentage inside a 30" circle at 40 yards, it is not a constriction nor denseness nor openness nor nothing else, just a measured performance which is incidentally all but academic in any case because essentially it will still vary slightly (by as much as one choke denomination) from day to day, hour to hour, cartridge to cartridge and even shot to shot.

 

Broadly speaking Cylinder throws the most open pattern possible whereas Full throws the tightest, it is that simple, if a 1/2 Briley in my gun throws between 3/4 & Full, then it is a Light Full not a Half, the writing on the choke is irrelevant, if it throws between a Half and 3/4 with a 3/8th, then it is a 5/8th, the writing is irrelevant.

 

If Mr. Everitt or Mr. Teague himself wish to come and demonstrate what "outperforms" or words like "superior" mean in pattern terms on both paper and actual targets then I'm all ears.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Hamster

[Wingman]

+1 for spending money on lessons. 3 lessons from an instructor had done more to improve my shooting than any gadget or choke could. Instructor advised leaving improved cylinder in both barrels and forgetting about chokes which is what I did. Still killing the high birds down at AGL with no problems.

[bruno22rf]

If they give you more confidence and thus hit more targets then they are worth their weight in Gold - but in reality you would need to use just one brand/type of cartridge, a pattern plate and a gunsmith with the time to polish each individual choke to actually gain any real benefit, but as already said, you still need to point the choke in the right direction to hit the target.

[Guest cookoff013]

I will say the loads of yesteryear namely 1,1/4oz didn't really matter what choke went in the gun. They were slow enough to pattern beyond excellent.

 

Now 1/5 shot gone. Speeds gone from 1100 to 1500-1600fps or whatever.

Exacerbating that even more is 21g loads or 3/4oz.

 

Choke matters with modern cartridges.

 

Nuff said.

If every cartridge was traditional 1,1/8oz - 1100fps chokes really wouldnt

Matter much.

[Saltings]

as the Americans say a lot of shooting is to do with opening your wallet to get the extra £ clays etc but my gun when I bought it come with teaugies done in the mid 70s to this date cannot fault the patterns (back in the day when he machined them to the bore rather than the mass produced versions ) and are less than 2in long , then came the longer chokes I find this as another bight at the cherry, after all a Purdy choke is about 1/2" long and not perfectly round and is polished to throw a pattern at a said distance ( regulated ) , again cartridge / gun / combination / gun fit etc/ don't matter how much you pay for / chokes / gun /cartridges /etc if you are not pointing it in the right place / gun fit hand eye coordination more in important in my honest opinion

whatever cartridge you buy don't believe the fps printed on the box put it through a chronograph as it does not lie

Edited October 10, 2016 by Saltings

[JDog]

As you know OJW I am totally ignorant in the matter of chokes. For what it's worth the best game shot I ever saw used a Purdey side by side with open chokes. As far as my own experience goes I tried full choke in my semi auto but I just wasn't accurate enough with my shooting.

[wymberley]

I will say the loads of yesteryear namely 1,1/4oz didn't really matter what choke went in the gun. They were slow enough to pattern beyond excellent.

 

Now 1/5 shot gone. Speeds gone from 1100 to 1500-1600fps or whatever.

Exacerbating that even more is 21g loads or 3/4oz.

 

Choke matters with modern cartridges.

 

Nuff said.

If every cartridge was traditional 1,1/8oz - 1100fps chokes really wouldnt

Matter much.

While I agree, what distance from (at?) the muzzle does that figure equate to? Put another way, are you talking observed velocity?

[OJW]

As you know OJW I am totally ignorant in the matter of chokes. For what it's worth the best game shot I ever saw used a Purdey side by side with open chokes. As far as my own experience goes I tried full choke in my semi auto but I just wasn't accurate enough with my shooting.

 

 

You mean you just had to put up with hitting them in the breast rather than the head!

 

I just went for 1/2 and 3/4 which are my normal chokes. I'm not holding out high hopes of seeing a marked improvement, but if there is I will be very happy.

[Guest cookoff013]

i`d take 1100fps at 2.5M anyday of the week.

stateside they still shoot big loads 1,1/8oz and even some 1,1/4oz 7.5s for the longer shots.

[wymberley]

i`d take 1100fps at 2.5M anyday of the week.

stateside they still shoot big loads 1,1/8oz and even some 1,1/4oz 7.5s for the longer shots.

Thanks, mate.

As you used the word "traditional", I was wondering if that also applied to the old way of expressing velocity. As it happens, although there is some difference between your figures and the old method the difference is not that great and is neither here nor there down-range.

They had it right then so why mend what isn't broke?

[Gunman]

Slightly off the subject but as a young man I met an old guy who used to load cartridges for a local shop [back in the day when this was common ] At the time in the 70's I like many people had a go at home loading . His advice was simple to improve patterns "a bit less powder and a bit more shot" .

[Guest cookoff013]

Slightly off the subject but as a young man I met an old guy who used to load cartridges for a local shop [back in the day when this was common ] At the time in the 70's I like many people had a go at home loading . His advice was simple to improve patterns "a bit less powder and a bit more shot" .

 

they are called subsonics.... cartridges in the 70s were slow. `bout 1000fps or 900.

its been known for years, and in the 70s 32g loads were common place for clays if not some loaded 36g which are the traditional 1,1/4oz loads, for pigeon and crows etc.

it has the same effect with 28gram ,21gram, 36g and i have as yet not patterned the 42g subsonics. 1200-1300 and patterns start to open.

it changes slightly with lighter shotcharges.....

 

incidently, these subsonics, actually have very little response from choke or choking, full patterns from a cyl barrel (supper nova).

changing to a full choke produced the same pattern,

 

hard italian lead, but also the same when i used a 32g soft lead subsonique load.

[Guest cookoff013]

nb.

if i had 10 minutes, and a patterning sheets i could sequentially load up 1 grain increments from 16grain 1 oz load to a full fat 21 grain load (or a 22, maybe HP).