panoma1 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Isn't Paddy a nickname for someone called Patrick? Is throwing a Patrick racist? Lol! Is Sassanach racist as it is a derogatory Gaelic word for the English.....Is referring to a Scot as Jock racist? Or a Welshman as Taffy? Or referring to Welshing on a bet?........come on lads don't play the establishment PC game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Back on topic? Coming to a country near to us very soon, people are sick and tired of the old clubs lying and cheating for their own benefit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Is there not one for the Brexit Whingers..?... ...Class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adge Cutler Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) BBC headlines seem to indicate a lot of Democrats don`t like the President that democracy has given them ! Sounds a familiar situation,another wrong result,wonder if they want another vote too ? Interestingly though if it were a National referendum as was Brexit Clinton would have won albeit by a ridiculously small margin… so is it in fact a democratic victory! Not trying to be confrontational just saying like! Particularly as the Brexiters keep on referring to the will of the majority as the fundamental principle behind why the government should implement article 50. I don't think personally however the result has anything particularly to do with Brexit moreover the common man in America was fed up with feeling neglected and just used the opportunity, quite correctly to do something about it…not dissimilar in some respects to the reason Major lost Government to Blair in 1997. I still opine Trump will be very, very limited in what he is allowed to do and consequentially wont be able to deliver on his campaign promises. That's why he's appealing for a United America so that in 4 years time he wont shoulder all the blame.. His PR guys have been very busy already. Edited November 10, 2016 by Adge Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iano Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Any other colloquialisms confusing you? Had never heard that before. Isn't Paddy a nickname for someone called Patrick? Is throwing a Patrick racist? Lol! Is Sassanach racist as it is a derogatory Gaelic word for the English.....Is referring to a Scot as Jock racist? Or a Welshman as Taffy? Or referring to Welshing on a bet?........come on lads don't play the establishment PC game! Nothing is worse than American's calling our national day of drunken debauchery "St. Patty's Day". It really grinds my gears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Interestingly though if it were a National referendum as was Brexit Clinton would have won albeit by a ridiculously small margin… so is it in fact a democratic victory! What has that to do with it? This is the way they do elections,as do we, are all our elections then,undemocratic? Not trying to be confrontational just saying like! Particularly as the Brexiters keep on referring to the will of the majority as the fundamental principle behind why the government should implement article 50. Not trying to be confrontational..love it! I don't think personally however the result has anything particularly to do with Brexit moreover the common man in America was fed up with feeling neglected and just used the opportunity, quite correctly to do something about it…not dissimilar in some respects to the reason Major lost Government to Blair in 2007. And not dissimilar to Brexit? I still opine Trump will be very, very limited in what he is allowed to do and consequentially wont be able to deliver on his campaign promises. This I actually agree with you on! He may not make it to the Whitehouse if he doesnt play ball.. That's why he's appealing for a United America so that in 4 years time he wont shoulder all the blame.. His PR guys have been very busy already. All the blame for what? Why so pessimistic ? Give the guy a chance ,Obamas watch hasnt been too great ,has it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Interestingly though if it were a National referendum as was Brexit Clinton would have won albeit by a ridiculously small margin so is it in fact a democratic victory! Not trying to be confrontational just saying like! Particularly as the Brexiters keep on referring to the will of the majority as the fundamental principle behind why the government should implement article 50. I don't think personally however the result has anything particularly to do with Brexit moreover the common man in America was fed up with feeling neglected and just used the opportunity, quite correctly to do something about itnot dissimilar in some respects to the reason Major lost Government to Blair in 2007. I still opine Trump will be very, very limited in what he is allowed to do and consequentially wont be able to deliver on his campaign promises. That's why he's appealing for a United America so that in 4 years time he wont shoulder all the blame.. His PR guys have been very busy already. My view is the electoral voting system in the UK needs some shaking up and I agree to some extent with most of your post, for instance ukip should have won far more seats ghan they did at the last GE. that said it's only when a vote is won by party's right of centre you generally here people winging about it, because it was obviously the wrong result, I.e bremoaners after the Brexit vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iano Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 We have PR - which means that while technically it is more democratic as smaller cohorts of the electorate get their candidates elected, you end up with a very fractured party system so that no one's manifesto gets completed. We've never had anything but coalitions really for the last 20/30 years and it has resulted in some really odd, niche laws and programs being passed. At least with first past the post, a party has a chance to actually carry it out manifesto. Trump has this now, as he is president and his party holds both the senate and congress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adge Cutler Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) All the blame for what? Why so pessimistic ? Give the guy a chance ,Obamas watch hasnt been too great ,has it ? For not being able to deliver on his pre election promises to his electorate. Not Pessimistic or Optimistic in equal measure..im keeping an open mind Precisely my point... In the years before his election Obama was 10 times the politician he was before elected President..all we saw was a dumbed down version, well disciplined in what to say... almost Yes Ministeresque in fact. Numerous times the pregnant pauses were, I would suggest, just him trying to remember his script. Saying that Donalds team will probably do no worse.. Edited November 10, 2016 by Adge Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 For not being able to deliver on his pre election promises to his electorate. Not Pessimistic or Optimistic in equal measure..im keeping an open mind Precisely my point... In the years before his election Obama was 10 times the politician he was before elected President..all we saw was a dumbed down version, well disciplined in what to say... almost Yes Ministeresque in fact. Numerous times the pregnant pauses were, I would suggest, just him trying to remember his script. Saying that Donalds team will probably do no worse.. Agreed. My pet theory is that once elected,the President elect gets a phone call,or a text or a word in the shell like. Telling them how its going to be ,and the consequences of non compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Interestingly though if it were a National referendum as was Brexit Clinton would have won albeit by a ridiculously small margin… so is it in fact a democratic victory! Not trying to be confrontational just saying like! Particularly as the Brexiters keep on referring to the will of the majority as the fundamental principle behind why the government should implement article 50. I don't think personally however the result has anything particularly to do with Brexit moreover the common man in America was fed up with feeling neglected and just used the opportunity, quite correctly to do something about it…not dissimilar in some respects to the reason Major lost Government to Blair in 2007. I still opine Trump will be very, very limited in what he is allowed to do and consequentially wont be able to deliver on his campaign promises. That's why he's appealing for a United America so that in 4 years time he wont shoulder all the blame.. His PR guys have been very busy already. Funny that I thought it was 1997 - by 2007 B liar had bailed out having seen the writing on the wall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adge Cutler Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) Funny that I thought it was 1997 - by 2007 B liar had bailed out having seen the writing on the wall sorry yes edited it for you. Edited November 10, 2016 by Adge Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 First job for Trump should be to pardon Assange, without him the USA would be in a bigger mess right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 First job for Trump should be to pardon Assange, without him the USA would be in a bigger mess right now.Now that would be an interesting twist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Now that would be an interesting twist. Wikileaks 1-35 helped him win so it is only fair. Should also provide ammo to secure the Clintons a nice time squirming to get off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 First job for Trump should be to pardon Assange, without him the USA would be in a bigger mess right now. Pardon him for what ? He has been convicted of nothing in the US,or anywhere else. He is wanted in Sweden for questioning on sexual assault charges (Not wearing a condom without consent) A charge I might add,that does not qualify for an international arrest warrant,that he currently has out for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Pardon him for what ? He has been convicted of nothing in the US,or anywhere else. He is wanted in Sweden for questioning on sexual assault charges (Not wearing a condom without consent) A charge I might add,that does not qualify for an international arrest warrant,that he currently has out for him. http://www.alternet.org/rss/breaking_news/1003054/does_the_us_have_a_case_against_julian_assange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adge Cutler Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) If I were Trump I wouldn't want to start spreading muck about, because that which doesn't stick normally gets returned with interest. I bet the Democrats are already trawling through his past business dealings. What happens to those also. ?? Could there be some conflict of interest there in the future. ? Edited November 10, 2016 by Adge Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampwick Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 I can't seem to find mention of The Democrats protesting against democracy on The BBC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adge Cutler Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 This made me laugh... https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/ron-perlman-has-announced-his-presidential-candidacy-for-2020-122517257.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 http://www.alternet.org/rss/breaking_news/1003054/does_the_us_have_a_case_against_julian_assange I understand that the US authorities would like to waterboard have a chat with him about wikileaks exposure of some of their nastier business. But my point was ,to be pardoned,you first need to be convicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 I understand that the US authorities would like to waterboard have a chat with him about wikileaks exposure of some of their nastier business. But my point was ,to be pardoned,you first need to be convicted. I agree. That's why I found it difficult to understand the reports on how Obama would be able to pardon Hillary Clinton before Trump throws her in jail. They seem to have missed out the judicial processes that we British hold so dear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Perhaps I should have said immunity to prosecution instead of pardon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 So Hilliary won more votes, but Trump the electoral college. There would be people in this thread squealing bloody murder if the reverse had happened..: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) So Hilliary won more votes, but Trump the electoral college. There would be people in this thread squealing bloody murder if the reverse had happened..: I think most people understand that there are different rules applied to things like referendums and elections...it's not exactly rocket science. Whether someone agrees with the rules is another issue, but fortunately irrelevant. Edited November 10, 2016 by achosenman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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