Walker570 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I had another great day at Scrivelsby Court yesterday with a team of 410 shooters, all great guys. After the first drive there was a scramble to change chokes. I had already put four partridge in the bag with full and full and went on to finish the day with 18 birds out of the 118 bag and to my knowledge only one runner. Just put 'em in the middle of the pattern. :-) I often shoot my 870 with a 26 inch skeet barrel for woodies, the same applies. If I miss it ain't the chokes fault. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Cylinder is OK over decoys at short distances but it pays to have at least a little choke, if you're routinely impressed by how good it is on pheasants it's probably because they're 25 yard or less. Stretch the range with either clays or game and it very soon becomes clear why choke was invented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandladdie Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I would not like to use cylinder choke for any bird shooting. Neither would I. I want to kill it, not wound it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarepeg Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 My Browning 2 ️️shot auto is skeet bored. As said it's great for skeet and out to 35 yards but then pattern gets to open. Find that steel clay cartridges tends to tighten pattern up a bit. Love shooting it but would like a spare barrel about half choke up? Anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 As in all things shotgun, performance figures are based on average findings and inevitably, therefore, there will be variations. The thing about TC is that if patterned at the normal 40 yards it doesn't really have a pattern centre; the shot is pretty much evenly spread throughout the 30" circle. It's not until you reduce the range that things start to thicken up in the middle. It is this simple fact that governs its effective range for any quarry species - or clays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulnix Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 To those who doubt the effectiveness of cyl chokes might I suggest that you give them a go - at normal ranges and your average pigeon decoying situation you may well be surprised. Lets not forget that muzzle loaders have very little in the way of choke, if any at all, and countless thousands of such guns were used to fill the pot for many years. My grandfather shot a skeet gun on game when he was in his 70's up to when he gave up shooting in his mid eighties, reckon he took the longest woodcock I seen shot clean with that gun, plus plenty of decently high pheasants, certainly out to the ranges everyone else on the shoot was taking, they are perfectly fine as long as you not expect to shoot on the extremes of range or one of those clay shots who always tinkering with chokes in between stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Can anyone remember the original question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandladdie Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Can anyone remember the original question Errr...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) Can anyone remember the original question It was answered at the first reply, but then, where's the fun? Edited December 13, 2016 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 well, in the old days they had old cartridges, that were newly manufactured. the light shells back then were 32g loads. and that still was used regularly up-until a good few years ago. those old days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 .... the cartridges were bigger and slower. 1,1/4oz for the sporting bird. this has only maintained its tradition with heliceZZ, big loads are used. 30g and 28g loads were used with 2.5" and smaller chambers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) Need some edification folks, new to all this Gun lark. If a gun is advertised chokes: cylinder-cylinder does that infer that you can't change the chokes as the gun hasn't got any threads in the end of the Barrels ? Lanber 12g if that's pertinant. Yep. If it is a s/h Lanber it is reasonably certain that it is fixed choke gun. It's a bit unusual to have cylinder and cylinder. No threads = no multi choke tubes. If the gun has multi choke options then you will see the castlated and of the choke tube where the key would fit to remove it.As far as the shot size and load is concerned It's only in the last few years that 28grm loads have become more used. It was always an ounce and a sixteenth of #6 for general shooting, 1-1/8 for harder stuff and 1-1/4 for wildfowling. Stuff like impax was considered a bit low powered; for boys and decoying or driven. if you went into nearly anywhere that sold cartridges you wouldn't have found many if any ounce loads on the sheif Edited December 13, 2016 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 The word cylinder in a gun barrel means the bore, from forcing cone to muzzle is cylindrical!.........The word choke means there is a constriction in the barrel...so there can be no such thing as "cylinder choke"................however, there is certainly a cylinder "choke tube" which usually screws in to (and out of!) the muzzle of a gun barrel which when in place makes it a cylinder barrel! lol!! Bit anal eh? Lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 To those who doubt the effectiveness of cyl chokes might I suggest that you give them a go - at normal ranges and your average pigeon decoying situation you may well be surprised. Lets not forget that muzzle loaders have very little in the way of choke, if any at all, and countless thousands of such guns were used to fill the pot for many years. Couldnt have put it better I've shot high tower with a gun with the chokes bored out to 19 mm (Barrel size 18.4) so it was Blunderbus chokes ! i hit more than a chap with a 7 grand gun with all singing all dancing extedded ported chokes fancy jacket fancy glasses and the works , If your on it you will hit it what ever the chokes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Couldnt have put it better I've shot high tower with a gun with the chokes bored out to 19 mm (Barrel size 18.4) so it was Blunderbus chokes ! i hit more than a chap with a 7 grand gun with all singing all dancing extedded ported chokes fancy jacket fancy glasses and the works , If your on it you will hit it what ever the chokes Have you still got it ? Blunderbuss bored is the perfect gun for the charity shoot 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Have you still got it ? Blunderbuss bored is the perfect gun for the charity shoot Mick shoots the Charity Shoot every year, I don't think blunderbuss chokes have helped so far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Couldnt have put it better I've shot high tower with a gun with the chokes bored out to 19 mm (Barrel size 18.4) so it was Blunderbus chokes ! i hit more than a chap with a 7 grand gun with all singing all dancing extedded ported chokes fancy jacket fancy glasses and the works , If your on it you will hit it what ever the chokes I don't agree with that. You can easily be on a target, but the gaps in the pattern will cause a miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 The word cylinder in a gun barrel means the bore, from forcing cone to muzzle is cylindrical!.........The word choke means there is a constriction in the barrel...so there can be no such thing as "cylinder choke"................however, there is certainly a cylinder "choke tube" which usually screws in to (and out of!) the muzzle of a gun barrel which when in place makes it a cylinder barrel! lol!! Bit anal eh? Lol! I've an old hammer gun hanging on the wall, the barrels are marked "Choke" & "Full Choke". What's that, then? 1/2 & Full? It's deactivated so I'll never find out the fun way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I've an old hammer gun hanging on the wall, the barrels are marked "Choke" & "Full Choke". What's that, then? 1/2 & Full? It's deactivated so I'll never find out the fun way. It was normal to stamp the barrel/s of guns produced from 1887 "choke" without specifying how much choke......this was in order to indicate there was constriction in the barrel/s because choke has only just been introduced (claimed to be invented by Greener in 1874) into common use......as an alternative to the previously universal use of cylinder bored barrels......dunno at which point the stamp "full choke" was applied though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Thanks, that explains it a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) Couldnt have put it better I've shot high tower with a gun with the chokes bored out to 19 mm (Barrel size 18.4) so it was Blunderbus chokes ! i hit more than a chap with a 7 grand gun with all singing all dancing extedded ported chokes fancy jacket fancy glasses and the works , If your on it you will hit it what ever the chokes Yep spot on. centre the pattern on the target and any old choke will do the job. Boshers secret weapon. Thrash a taper steel peg down the barrel of an old dogger to swage the barrel out to emulate a tula choke. Edited December 13, 2016 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I've an old hammer gun hanging on the wall, the barrels are marked "Choke" & "Full Choke". What's that, then? 1/2 & Full? It's deactivated so I'll never find out the fun way. I've a old one stamped not for ball Patterned it once at 40 yards not a pellet off a pony nut bag with the open barrel never even made a 30 inch circle Punched a hole in it with the choke barrel Winchester trap 100 cartridges To be honest it wasn't a good test as due to youth and inexperience I was using 😇 Anyone worked it out yet ? 2.3/4 cartridges Gun only has 2.1/2 chambers Anyway ignorance is bliss and I carried on until I shot it of the face Anything close was inedible 😂 All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Not for ball. As I understand it some shotguns were used to fire solid lead balls. Any choke whatsoever would have restricted a ball shot with potentially disastrous results. A bit like modern day (American) slug shots. NFB obviously choked tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 "Not for ball" was stamped on choke bored guns between 1875 an 1887 to warn the owner not, for the reason Chris Bb gave above, to shoot solid lead ball through the gun! This stamp is useful because it helps a researcher date the gun within a few years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 "Not for ball" was stamped on choke bored guns between 1875 an 1887 to warn the owner not, for the reason Chris Bb gave above, to shoot solid lead ball through the gun! This stamp is useful because it helps a researcher date the gun within a few years! I know that now sadly I didn't when I was 15 and paid £9 for the gun and was shooting anything I could get through it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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